On 20/02/13 11:54, Fred Drake wrote:
On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 6:19 PM, Donald Stufft<donald.stu...@gmail.com> wrote:
Let's not add anything to the stdlib till it has real world usage. Doing
otherwise is putting the cart before the horse.
I'd posit that anything successful will no longer need to be added to
the standard
library, to boot. Packaging hasn't done well there.
I'd rather see a successful packaging story develop than bundle it into the
standard library. The later just isn't that interesting any more.
I keep hearing people say that the stdlib is not important, but I don't think
that is true. There are lots of people who have problems with anything not in
the standard library.
- Beginners often have difficulty (due to inexperience, lack of confidence or
knowledge) in *finding*, let alone installing and using, packages that aren't
in the standard library.
- To people in the Linux world, adding anything outside of your distro's
packaging system is a nuisance. No matter how easy your packaging library
makes it, you now have two sorts of packages: first-class packages that
your distro will automatically update for you, and second-class ones that
aren't.
- People working in restrictive corporate systems often have to jump through
flaming hoops before installing software.
Packages in the stdlib are a no-brainer. Anything outside the stdlib has
additional barriers to use, even if installing them is as simple as
"some-package-manager install spam.py".
For the avoidance of doubt, this is *not* a veiled request for "everything"
to be in the stdlib, since that is impractical and stupid, just a reminder
that the stdlib is still important and that no matter how easy packaging
becomes, it will never be as easy as having something already there.
--
Steven
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