I feel not including %s is nuts. Should I write .replace('%b', '%s')?
All I desperately need are APIs that provide enough unicode / str type
safety that I get an exception when mixing them accidentally... in my
own code, dynamic typing is usually a bug. As has been endlessly
discussed, %s for bytes is a bit like exposing sprintf()...
On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 2:41 PM, Guido van Rossum <gu...@python.org> wrote:
> Much better, but I'm still not happy with including %s at all. Otherwise
> it's accept-worthy. (How's that for pressure. :-)
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Ethan Furman <et...@stoneleaf.us> wrote:
>>
>> On 03/27/2014 10:55 AM, Ethan Furman wrote:
>>>
>>> On 03/27/2014 10:29 AM, Guido van Rossum wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I also don't understand why we can't use %b instead of %s. AFAIK %b
>>>> currently doesn't mean anything and I somehow don't
>>>> expect we're likely to add it for other reasons (unless there's a
>>>> proposal I'm missing?). Just like we use %a instead of
>>>> %r to remind people that it's not quite the same (since it applies
>>>> .encode('ascii', 'backslashreplace')), shouldn't we
>>>> use anything *but* %s to remind people that that is also not the same
>>>> (not at all, in fact)? The PEP's argument against
>>>> %b ("rejected as not adding any value either in clarity or simplicity")
>>>> is hardly a good reason.
>>>
>>>
>>> The biggest reason to use %s is to support a common code base for 2/3
>>> endeavors. The biggest reason to not include %b
>>> is that it means binary number in format(); given that each type can
>>> invent it's own mini-language, this probably isn't
>>> a very strong argument against it.
>>>
>>> I have moderate feelings for keeping %s as a synonym for %b for backwards
>>> compatibility with Py2 code (when it's
>>> appropriate).
>>
>>
>> Changed to:
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> ``%b`` will insert a series of bytes. These bytes are collected in one of
>> two
>> ways:
>>
>> - input type supports ``Py_buffer`` [4]_?
>>
>> use it to collect the necessary bytes
>>
>> - input type is something else?
>> use its ``__bytes__`` method [5]_ ; if there isn't one, raise a
>> ``TypeError``
>>
>> In particular, ``%b`` will not accept numbers nor ``str``. ``str`` is
>> rejected
>> as the string to bytes conversion requires an encoding, and we are
>> refusing to
>> guess; numbers are rejected because:
>>
>> - what makes a number is fuzzy (float? Decimal? Fraction? some user
>> type?)
>>
>> - allowing numbers would lead to ambiguity between numbers and textual
>> representations of numbers (3.14 vs '3.14')
>>
>> - given the nature of wire formats, explicit is definitely better than
>> implicit
>>
>> ``%s`` is included as a synonym for ``%b`` for the sole purpose of making
>> 2/3 code
>> bases easier to maintain. Python 3 only code should use ``%b``.
>>
>> Examples::
>>
>> >>> b'%b' % b'abc'
>> b'abc'
>>
>> >>> b'%b' % 'some string'.encode('utf8')
>> b'some string'
>>
>> >>> b'%b' % 3.14
>>
>> Traceback (most recent call last):
>> ...
>> TypeError: b'%b' does not accept 'float'
>>
>> >>> b'%b' % 'hello world!'
>>
>> Traceback (most recent call last):
>> ...
>> TypeError: b'%b' does not accept 'str'
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>> --
>> ~Ethan~
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