On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 11:49 PM, Nick Coghlan <ncogh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 4 January 2016 at 17:01, Terry Reedy <tjre...@udel.edu> wrote: > > Ask the PSF/pypi people to either prohibit such names or require a > > disclaimer of some sort. They are inherently confusing: "I took a look > at > > pep008" does not mean that one even looked at the PEP. Even when the > > context makes clear that the referent is the module, there is confusion > as > > to its authoritativeness. That Facudo would post here about the module's > > output illustrates that. To me, the name copying violates our informal > > trademark within Pythonland on 'PEP####'. > > I don't think that's the right answer, as opinionated tools do serve a > useful purpose in preventing bikeshedding during code review (people > *expect* computers to be annoyingly pedantic, which frees up the human > reviewers to focus on higher level concerns). As projects evolve over > time, they may develop their own tweaks and customisations in their > style guide and switch to a more configurable tool, or they may not. > > When some of the default settings for the pep8 utility became a > problem, I was able to talk to the developers and persuade them to > tune their defaults to be more in line with the actual PEP text, and > keep their extensions to optional settings. > > A similar approach may work for PEP 257, by clarifying which aspects > tools should be leaving to human judgement (beyond the question of > whether or not to opt in to following PEP 257 at all - it's far less > universal than PEP 8). > Hm. I don't want the PSF to flex its muscles about trademarks, but I still don't like that there are tools named after PEPs (especially since the tools are not written by the same people that wrote the PEPs). I still recall the first time someone emailed me about a "pep8" issue (I had never heard of the tool by that name) and I was thoroughly confused for a long time. That said I expect it's too late to try and get the pep8 authors to rename it; but I filed an issue with the pep257 project and they are going to change the name: https://github.com/GreenSteam/pep257/issues/172 . FWIW I am happy that the tools exist! They can be very useful and I use pep8 myself. But I always let it know who's boss. :-) -- --Guido van Rossum (python.org/~guido)
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