On 28 November 2017 at 18:38, Barry Warsaw <ba...@python.org> wrote:
> On Nov 28, 2017, at 15:31, Raymond Hettinger <raymond.hettin...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
>
>> Put me down for a strong -1.   The proposal would occasionally save a few 
>> keystokes but comes at the expense of giving Python a more Perlish look and 
>> a more arcane feel.
>
> I am also -1.
>
>> One of the things I like about Python is that I can walk non-programmers 
>> through the code and explain what it does.  The examples in PEP 505 look 
>> like a step in the wrong direction.  They don't "look like Python" and make 
>> me feel like I have to decrypt the code to figure-out what it does.
>
> I had occasional to speak with someone very involved in Rust development.  
> They have a process roughly similar to our PEPs.  One of the things he told 
> me, which I found very interesting and have been mulling over for PEPs is, 
> they require a section in their specification discussion how any new feature 
> will be taught, both to new Rust programmers and experienced ones.  I love 
> the emphasis on teachability.  Sometimes I really miss that when considering 
> some of the PEPs and the features they introduce (look how hard it is to 
> teach asynchronous programming).

Oh well,
I would be  +1 on patching PEP 1 for that.


>
> Cheers,
> -Barry
>
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