On Sat, May 19, 2018 at 04:28:10PM -0700, Mike Miller wrote: > > On 2018-05-19 06:41, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > >Details follow below. > > Thanks for this, had some more time to read it more closely. Correct me if > I'm probably wrong, but most of these are not used by many. Except perhaps:
According to the latest survey on TIOBE (May 2018), *none* of the languages either of us surveyed are used by more than a small niche. I realise that the TIOBE ranking is not the only available ranking, nor is their methodology necessarily the best, but if other people want to look at other language surveys they are free to do so. According to TIOBE, the rankings of your five languages are: Go #14 (up two places) 0.970% Swift #19 (down six places) 0.907% Dart #26 0.859% Kotlin #49 0.292% Rust #51-100 (percentages too small to differentiate) So even the most popular of your languages are still very niche. Go and Swift have a lot of industry "buzz" about them, but that's not translating to jobs or Google searches yet. The thirteen languages I surveyed are in a similar position: the highest ranked of them is Julia at #46. (I don't think TIOBE distinguishes between Perl at #18 and Perl 6.) Almost by definition, any new language is going to only be used by a small subset of programmers. [...] > My focus was on "industry standard" languages however, I'm sorry, but no it wasn't. If we want *industry standard* languages, none of them are going to be *new*, and we need to look at those at the top of the TIOBE rankings: Java C C++ Python C# VB .Net PHP Javascript SQL Ruby R Delphi/Object Pascal Go and Swift are backed by large comporations and may some day be "industry standard", but they aren't yet. [Aside: it is sobering to realise that according to at least one objective ranking, "ancient and obsolete" Pascal is still more popular than "cool" new languages like Go and Swift.] I've somewhat arbitrarily cut the list off at "languages ranked above 1% on TIOBE", but we have to cut the list of somewhere. And of course in certain specific industries the standard languages may be very different, e.g. there are still tens of millions of lines of COBOL code being maintained in the banking industry. Out of those industry standard languages (as ranked by TIOBE, other methodology may result in other rankings) we find: 8/12 have some form of assignment expressions; (Java, C, C++, C#, PHP, Javascript, Ruby, R) 4/12 do not (Python, VB .Net, SQL, Delphi). -- Steve _______________________________________________ Python-ideas mailing list Python-ideas@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-ideas Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/
