On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 11:26 PM, Alex Walters <tritium-l...@sdamon.com> wrote:
> But don't all the users who care about citing modules already use the > scientific python packages, with scipy itself at it's center? Wouldn't > those engaging in science or in academia be better stewards of this than > systems programmers? Since you're not asking for anything that can't be > done in a third party module, and there is a third party module that most > of the target audience of this standard would already have, there is zero > reason to take up four names in the python runtime to serve those users. > Not all scientific software in Python depends on scipy or even numpy. However, it does all depend on Python. Although perhaps that argues for a cross-language solution :) I still think it would be very nice to have an official standard for citation information in Python packages as codified in a PEP. That would reduce ambiguity and make it much easier for tool-writers who want to parse citation information. > -----Original Message----- > > From: Adrian Price-Whelan <adrian...@gmail.com> > > Sent: Friday, June 29, 2018 12:16 AM > > To: Alex Walters <tritium-l...@sdamon.com> > > Cc: Steven D'Aprano <st...@pearwood.info>; python-ideas@python.org > > Subject: Re: [Python-ideas] Add a __cite__ method for scientific packages > > > > For me, it's about setting a standard that is endorsed by the > > language, and setting expectations for users. There currently is no > > standard, which is why packages use __citation__, __cite__, > > __bibtex__, etc., and as a user I don't immediately know where to look > > for citation information (without going to the source). My feeling is > > that adopting __citation__ or some dunder name could be implemented on > > classes, functions, etc. with less of a chance of naming conflicts, > > but am open to discussion. > > > > I have some notes here about various ideas for more advanced > > functionality that would support automatically keeping track of > > citation information for imported packages, classes, functions: > > https://github.com/adrn/CitationPEP/blob/master/NOTES.md > > > > On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 10:57 PM, Alex Walters <tritium-l...@sdamon.com> > > wrote: > > > Why not scipy.cite() or scipy.citation()? I don't see any reason for > these > > > functions to ship with standard python at all. > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: Python-ideas <python-ideas-bounces+tritium- > > >> list=sdamon....@python.org> On Behalf Of Steven D'Aprano > > >> Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2018 8:17 PM > > >> To: python-ideas@python.org > > >> Subject: Re: [Python-ideas] Add a __cite__ method for scientific > packages > > >> > > >> On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 05:25:00PM -0400, Andrei Kucharavy wrote: > > >> > > >> > As for the list, reserving a __citation__/__cite__ for packages at > the > > > same > > >> > level as __version__ is now reserved and adding a citation()/cite() > > >> > function to the standard library seemed large enough modifications > to > > >> > warrant searching a buy-in from the maintainers and the community at > > >> large. > > >> > > >> I think that an approach similar to help/quit/exit is warranted. The > > >> cite()/citation() function need not be *literally* built into the > > >> language, it could be an external function written in Python and added > > >> to builtins by the site.py module. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> -- > > >> Steve > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Python-ideas mailing list > > >> Python-ideas@python.org > > >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-ideas > > >> Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Python-ideas mailing list > > > Python-ideas@python.org > > > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-ideas > > > Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/ > > > > > > > > -- > > Adrian M. Price-Whelan > > Lyman Spitzer, Jr. Postdoctoral Fellow > > Princeton University > > http://adrn.github.io > > _______________________________________________ > Python-ideas mailing list > Python-ideas@python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-ideas > Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/ >
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