Hi all, I didn't mean for there to be significant differences between what I posted here versus in the commit message. Sorry for any confusion around that! Thank you for putting them both in one place here - that is helpful.
Take care, Keara On Sun, Jun 28, 2020, 16:12 Paul Sokolovsky <pmis...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hello, > > Shouldn't such feedback be also cross-posted to the python-dev mailing > list? Also note the original pull request, > https://github.com/python/peps/pull/1470, and differences of what was > written in the pull request description and what went in the commit > message. > > > On Sun, 28 Jun 2020 22:10:14 +0200 > "Giampaolo Rodola'" <g.rod...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > From: > > > https://github.com/python/peps/commit/0c6427dcec1e98ca0bd46a876a7219ee4a9347f4 > > > > > Instead of requiring that comments be written in Strunk & White > > > Standard > > English, require instead that English-language comments be clear and > > easily understandable by other English speakers. This accomplishes > > the same goal without upholding relics of white supremacy. Many > > native English speakers do not use Standard English as their native > > dialect, so requiring conformation to Standard English centers > > whiteness in an inappropriate and unnecessary way, and can alienate > > and put up barriers for people of color and those whose native > > dialect of English is not Standard English. This change is a simple > > way to correct that while maintaining the original intent of the > > requirement. > > > > This has nothing to do with making the wording "clear and > > understandable" (I agree on that). It's about, once again, bringing > > race-based politics into Python, and spreading hate towards a > > specific group of people: whites. Whether you're aware of it or not, > > there is a term for this: it's racism. I want to remind everyone that > > most of us here simply want to contribute code. We do it for free, > > and don't want to be involved in "this", because frankly it's > > disgusting. Doing something out of passion and for free, and at the > > same time seeing these sorts of things happening on a regular basis, > > looks and feels like an insult, and will only lead to people leaving > > this place. > > > > On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 11:27 PM Keara Berlin <kearaber...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > Hi all, this is a very small change, but I thought I would field it > > > here to see if anyone has suggestions or ideas. Instead of > > > requiring that comments be written in Strunk & White Standard > > > English, PEP-8 should require instead that English-language > > > comments be clear and easily understandable by other English > > > speakers. This accomplishes the same goal without alienating or > > > putting up barriers for people (especially people of color) whose > > > native dialect of English is not Standard English. This change is a > > > simple way to correct that while maintaining the original intent of > > > the requirement. This change may even make the requirement more > > > clear to people who are not familiar with Strunk & White, since for > > > programmers, the main relevant aspect of that standard is "be clear > > > and concise;" simply saying that instead of referencing Strunk & > > > White may communicate this more effectively. Here is the current > > > line in PEP-8: "When writing English, follow Strunk and White." > > > I propose changing this line to "When writing English, ensure that > > > your comments are clear and easily understandable to other English > > > speakers." _______________________________________________ > > > Python-ideas mailing list -- python-ideas@python.org > > > To unsubscribe send an email to python-ideas-le...@python.org > > > https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-ideas.python.org/ > > > Message archived at > > > > https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-ideas@python.org/message/AE2M7KOIQR37K3XSQW7FSV5KO4LMYHWX/ > > > Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/ > > > > > > > > > -- > > Giampaolo - gmpy.dev <https://gmpy.dev/about> > > > > -- > Best regards, > Paul mailto:pmis...@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > Python-ideas mailing list -- python-ideas@python.org > To unsubscribe send an email to python-ideas-le...@python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-ideas.python.org/ > Message archived at > https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-ideas@python.org/message/66T2R6G3YMX25LYVBHVLGGCREP2AYA7R/ > Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/ >
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