On Mon, Mar 14, 2022 at 04:57:09PM +0000, wfdc via Python-ideas wrote:

> > You're going to have to work harder than that to convince me.  It's 
> > not clear how many of those examples are unique, and most are 
> > concise and idiomatic.
> 
> Ridiculous goalpost-moving. I literally just gave you 1000+ examples 
> of this functionality being used, which is what you asked for, 
> including by several important repositories and organizations:

100 repetitions of the same dozen or so examples is no stronger evidence 
than just listing a dozen unique examples.

wfdc, whether you like it or not, Python is not yours to change as you 
see fit. (Being open source, you are welcome to fork it and do whatever 
you want with it.) You have to not just convince others that your 
proposal is useful, but that it is is **useful enough** to build it into 
the language.

It is true that much of this thread has been dominated by some extremely 
negative, condescending replies. But you are not helping by biting the 
hands of those trying to help you.

You have been told the processes that you have to follow to get this 
change accepted into Python. Snarling and biting at us is not going to 
change that. I don't know how things are like in your workplace, 
assuming you are a professional coder, but you cannot intimidate us by 
snarling. You will just get muted and your emails deleted. So chill out.

Enhancement requests are not Default Accept.

You can try putting an enhancement request on the bug tracker, but 
almost certainly you will be told to propose it here to see if there is 
consensus that it is useful enough. You can submit a PR on the repo, but 
likewise. You can ask on Python-Dev, but you will almost certainly be 
told you need to write a PEP, and to have that PEP even accepted for 
consideration you need to have at least one core developer volunteer to 
sponsor it. You could discuss it on Discuss, where at least you are 
likely to get feedback from a different set of people, but the eventual 
answer will be the same: this almost surely will need a PEP.

Yes, this is all a damn nuisance, but it is what it is and you have 
to work with the system we have, not the system you want.

And if you think this is problematic, you should try proposing a change 
to the Java or C languages.


-- 
Steve
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