On 2021-05-06, Richard Damon <rich...@damon-family.org> wrote: > On 5/6/21 6:12 AM, Jon Ribbens via Python-list wrote: >> I think you're fundamentally missing the point that the newsgroup is >> *already gatewayed to the mailing list*. Marking the group moderated >> will not result in any more work for the moderators. In fact what you >> say above is the opposite of the truth, as it will result in the link >> between the poster and the moderators becoming more direct, not less >> direct. > > It will.
How? How would switching from a bi-directional gateway to a moderated group make any more work for anyone than the existing bi-directional gateway to an unmoderated group? > First, python-list@python.org is NOT a "Moderated" mailing list by the > standard definition of such. Maybe you could call it Moderatable, but > most messages make it to the list without any intervention by a > moderator. Sounds like nearly all moderated lists/forums then. > The Mailman software that runs the list allows the administrators of > the list to put select filters on posts, or to make certain posters > moderated and need their posts reviewed, but most posts go through > automatically and immediately. This works because the SMTP Email > system have a must better presumption of the From address in the > message actually being who the sender is then under NNTP rules. The SMTP mail system makes no such assumption whatsoever. > Forging it is detectable in many cases and generally a violation of > the TOS for most providers (and the ones that don't can easily be > blocked). Sounds a lot like Usenet then. > While you could setup a robo-moderator to do a similar thing, Usenet > posters will not have 'pre-subscribed' before posting, and the From > address is no where near as relaible as invalid From addresses ARE > allowed, and since the message comes via a NNTP injection source relay, > non-verifiable. This make the job a LOT harder. It makes essentially no difference at all. > The current setup does put rules at the gateway that controls what gets > onto the mailing list, and because it IS a gateway, there are easier > grounds to establish that some posts just won't be gated over from > usenet to the mailing list. Putting those same limits onto the moderated > group itself would be against Usenet norms. This would mean that the > Usenet moderation queue WILL require significant additional work over > what is currently being done for the mailing list. Could you explain what on earth you are on about here please? > If the idea is just to provide a NNTP accessible version of the mailing > list, than perhaps rather than a comp.* group, putting it on gmane would > be a viable option, that avoids some of the Usenet issues. How would that make any difference? -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
