On Tue, Mar 6, 2018, 12:51 AM Marcus Ottosson <konstrukt...@gmail.com> wrote:
> @joe that’s a good point. Simply swapping QtGui for QtWidgets isn’t > enough to cover all cases either, as not everything was moved. > So then maybe the best approach is to not look for "Maya 2017/2018 PySide tutorials". Rather, just looking for introduction to pyside2 would be best. After one gets an intro, they can refer to older Maya specific tutorials. > > On 5 March 2018 at 11:12, Joe Weidenbach <scdr...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I think the most challenging bit of the bulk of the tutorials being for >> Qt4 is that the code no longer 'just works' when you run it. The API's are >> pretty much the same, but the widget-based functionality now comes from the >> qtwidgets module instead of qtgui. It makes perfect sense for someone >> versed in qt, but I've had a heck of a time with it with my students, even >> after demonstrating a full PySide to PySide2 conversion. The fact that the >> tutorials use qtgui causes a stumbling block for newer coders, who might be >> learning python at the same time as PySide. >> >> Explaining this to an experienced python developer is pretty painless, >> even if they're new to Qt, because they're not struggling with the concepts >> of modules which expose functionality. From my years of teaching, that was >> always the hardest concept to help students grasp. It's quite a leap to go >> from writing scripts in the script editor that do a thing to writing a >> library that can then be called, and 'import mylib' comes across in many >> cases as a bit of magic early on. >> >> So no, I don't think the tutorials themselves are the issue (I know so >> many people that have benefited from Justin's YouTube series). I think it's >> more the lack of content for "here's how to get started in PySide2, here's >> what's going on, and if you want to know more, here's these other >> references. Keep in mind they use the old Qt4 model, so you'll need to be >> mindful of what classes they use and map those to the new modules". Similar >> to Justin's introduction to the PySide docs, but with an emphasis on >> Qt5/PySide2 and how to find which module a given class is part of. On that >> note, last I checked, the docs weren't there yet for PySide2, which is yet >> another challenge to new learners. >> >> I also think (and I've been guilty of this) that a lot of instructors >> have moved to using pyside more than the old maya ui commands. This is >> great for getting folks versed in the UI tech they'd be using in-industry, >> but PySide with its multiple modules assumes an understanding of the more >> basic principles of Python that might not have developed yet for those >> learning it. >> >> I could be wrong, but that's my impression from working with students. >> On Mon, 5 Mar 2018 at 10:43 PM, Marcus Ottosson <konstrukt...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Like Justin said, anything for Qt4 (Maya 2016 and below) is applicable >>> to Qt5 (Maya 2017 and above) as well. >>> >>> Then there are newer features, exclusive to Qt5, like QML for which >>> there's the QML Book <http://qmlbook.github.io/index.html> and YouTube >>> series like the one by VoidRealm >>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBDiDyU_FgQ>. Along with maybe a >>> handful of open source examples, such as Cool Retro Term >>> <https://github.com/Swordfish90/cool-retro-term>, Phoenix >>> <https://github.com/team-phoenix/Phoenix> and LiriOS >>> <https://github.com/lirios/fluid>, and some commercial examples like >>> Melodics <https://melodics.com/>, the Ableton Push >>> <https://www.ableton.com/en/push/>'s on-device GUI. And of course my >>> own Pyblish <https://github.com/pyblish/pyblish-qml> :) >>> >>> On 5 March 2018 at 09:05, Justin Israel <justinisr...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Mar 5, 2018, 10:03 PM <daniel2ve...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Does anyone here know some good tutorials/info about PyQt for maya >>>>> 2017/2018. The only tutorials I find are several years old. I'm struggling >>>>> to find information. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Aside from a few api changes in Qt5, not too much has changed in the >>>> core information. The older tutorials still hold up well. 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