It was still kind in the context of encrypting a maya scene that derived from the main V Crypt topic, but we'll do. El lunes, 13 de septiembre de 2021 a las 19:07:28 UTC+2, justin...@gmail.com escribió:
> Please make sure to start a new thread if you want to engage in new > topics. It seems two completely new questions have been asked since the > original thread was started about V Crypt, and are entirely unrelated. > Thanks! > > On Tue, 14 Sep 2021, 4:25 am Rudi Hammad, <rudih...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> That's it! thanks Juan >> >> El lunes, 13 de septiembre de 2021 a las 15:33:57 UTC+2, Juan Moraga >> escribió: >> >>> Try using "def onOpenCallBack(*args):" instead. >>> Callbacks may pass on arguments to you method, which you can use or not. >>> But you need to allow the function to receive these arguments, otherwise it >>> will raise an exception. >>> >>> >>> On Mon, 13 Sep 2021, 15:09 Rudi Hammad, <rudih...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Hello, >>>> any idea why this is not working? >>>> I opened a scene and created this callback, and then saved the scene >>>> >>>> def onOpenCallBack(): >>>> print "this is a test" >>>> >>>> checkCallback = >>>> OpenMaya.MSceneMessage.addCheckCallback(OpenMaya.MSceneMessage.kBeforeOpenCheck, >>>> >>>> onOpenCallBack) >>>> >>>> Now when I open the scene I get this error: >>>> # TypeError: onOpenCallBack() takes no arguments (2 given) // >>>> // Warning: line 0: Python callback failed // >>>> >>>> but I didn't give any arguments. Why is it saying given 2? are they >>>> *args and **kwargs? Still, any idea why this is not working? >>>> Thanks >>>> >>>> El lunes, 6 de septiembre de 2021 a las 22:23:04 UTC+2, Rudi Hammad >>>> escribió: >>>> >>>>> oh, about the screenshots. If the rig is encapsulated in a black box, >>>>> maybe it would be possible set a callback preventing from unlocking the >>>>> blackbox? >>>>> That way you can check want is inside and take screenshot. >>>>> >>>>> El lunes, 6 de septiembre de 2021 a las 22:02:29 UTC+2, Rudi Hammad >>>>> escribió: >>>>> >>>>>> Quick question, I haven't use mel in 4 years now so it is probably >>>>>> something foolish but why is this not working? >>>>>> >>>>>> string $toEval = "def foo():import uuid; macAddress = uuid.getnode(); >>>>>> return macAddress; foo()"; >>>>>> string $macAddress = python($toEval); >>>>>> print $x; >>>>>> >>>>>> I would expect $x to print my computer mac address by it is empty. >>>>>> >>>>>> El lunes, 6 de septiembre de 2021 a las 15:39:02 UTC+2, >>>>>> golu...@gmail.com escribió: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Marcus, thanks for your comment! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> When I talked about export I meant not to ma or mb, I meant for >>>>>>> example to alembic or other, because as I knew alembic export is like >>>>>>> a >>>>>>> separate plugin, and .correct me if I am wrong export to alembic will >>>>>>> be >>>>>>> ignored by this callback. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I've not understood you, sorry, yes it is already protected, but if >>>>>>> this protected scene to /myrig.mb will be referenced in the main scene, >>>>>>> during the main parent scene opening, I will need to decrypt my rig.mb >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> any other child scene which is referenced and send to a remote worker, >>>>>>> or I understand you wrong) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> About RAM I'm sorry, that's my mistake, later edited the message, >>>>>>> but was too late, you absolutely right! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> понедельник, 6 сентября 2021 г. в 13:27:48 UTC+3, Marcus Ottosson: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The part of Maya that does the serialisation to ma and mb - be it >>>>>>>> via export or save - is a singular point of access. The scene >>>>>>>> callbacks >>>>>>>> should account for all ways in which creating those is possible, >>>>>>>> including >>>>>>>> via Python and MEL. It wouldn’t account for manual export to other >>>>>>>> formats, >>>>>>>> but there’s no end to that. Screenshotting your viewport is a format >>>>>>>> too, >>>>>>>> albeit a lossy one. But I’d argue that depending on what you want to >>>>>>>> protect, if that is rigs and animation, the Maya scene format should >>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>> enough. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> - OpenMaya.MSceneMessage.addCheckCallback() >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> <https://help.autodesk.com/view/MAYAUL/2020/ENU/?guid=__py_ref_class_open_maya_1_1_m_scene_message_html#a2c26fb924ad7939fd6bf50253044a7d3> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> And all of it must be done recursively on the whole data tree in >>>>>>>> scene >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I’d argue not. The information you protect is the information in >>>>>>>> the scene file. If that scene file consists of an absolute path to >>>>>>>> e.g. >>>>>>>> c:\myassets\myrig.mb then that is *already* protected; nobody can >>>>>>>> access that file but you on your local machine. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> so at some point how to handle your RAM memory, because you can’t >>>>>>>> store this encrypted data somewhere…) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I’d argue not (again :)). Is it to protect against hacker-animators >>>>>>>> and hacker-riggers? Or against the general workforce that has no clue >>>>>>>> about >>>>>>>> callbacks and encryption? If the latter, then saving it into a temp >>>>>>>> directory first, and encrypting it after should suffice. To the user, >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> file would end up where they said it should. But really, it’s a >>>>>>>> different >>>>>>>> file altogether. Then that file is copied back into a temp directory >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> decrypted whenever they open it. All of that can happen on disk. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> And besides, memory is just another location. A motivated-enough >>>>>>>> hacker-animator could access RAM as easily as any location on disk. >>>>>>>> Doesn’t >>>>>>>> increase the level of protection. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, 6 Sept 2021 at 11:02, Andrew Golubev <golu...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It is a very interesting discussion. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Yeah, I will agree that it definitely must be invisible - so >>>>>>>>> artists don't even know that encryption happened. >>>>>>>>> But you can't stop on scene saving and loading, you should create >>>>>>>>> lots of workarounds in this "secure Maya client". >>>>>>>>> Somehow you need to lock any exporting of data inside in any >>>>>>>>> format, hide\lock\encrypt code of all used inside scripts, lock any >>>>>>>>> new >>>>>>>>> plugin loading\or current plugins disabling. >>>>>>>>> And lock script editor, or make some sort of interceptor, to >>>>>>>>> ensure, that no script will run to export or explore private scene >>>>>>>>> data. >>>>>>>>> Also, if I understand all correctly, it will give a lot of >>>>>>>>> restrictions for people who work with their tools(it will lock them >>>>>>>>> on the >>>>>>>>> layout of instruments you gave to them). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> And this only stuff that comes up to mind immediately, I think >>>>>>>>> during the development of such Maya launch wrapper lot's of >>>>>>>>> underwater >>>>>>>>> stones will come up eventually. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Additionally, if in your scene you will have references, during >>>>>>>>> reference load you will need to decrypt this data, >>>>>>>>> the same will go to any geometry\textures or any files - you will >>>>>>>>> need to decrypt on the run. >>>>>>>>> All of it must be done recursively on the whole data tree in scene, >>>>>>>>> so at some point how to handle your RAM memory, because you can't >>>>>>>>> store this encrypted data somewhere. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> And even this will not save you from attempt to try take this >>>>>>>>> decrypted data from RAM... >>>>>>>>> воскресенье, 5 сентября 2021 г. в 10:27:53 UTC+3, Marcus Ottosson: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I agree with you. This would not solve all problems with working >>>>>>>>>> remotely, but it would solve some. Perhaps the biggest problems, >>>>>>>>>> namely >>>>>>>>>> accidental sharing and theft. I have also personally received >>>>>>>>>> material from >>>>>>>>>> artists at studios that really shouldn't have managed to leave the >>>>>>>>>> studio. >>>>>>>>>> Some even have limited internet access with local browsers >>>>>>>>>> accessible only >>>>>>>>>> through a virtual machine or local VNC connection, and assets >>>>>>>>>> *still* >>>>>>>>>> manage to leave the premises. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> That not only puts the studio at risk, but the recipient too. >>>>>>>>>> Both as a private person, as now your machine can leak confidential >>>>>>>>>> material, and as another business. If a leak should happen that >>>>>>>>>> leads to >>>>>>>>>> loss of cash for any larger entity such as WB there will be >>>>>>>>>> investigations >>>>>>>>>> and consequences. Private persons can get in trouble and businesses >>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>> crumble. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The part I'm sceptical about is whether this particular tool is >>>>>>>>>> what solves this problem. If it complicates saving and loading of >>>>>>>>>> scenes >>>>>>>>>> (and even launching of Maya?) then I'd imagine people simply would >>>>>>>>>> not use >>>>>>>>>> it. But the idea sounds worth exploring, so off the top of my head I >>>>>>>>>> would >>>>>>>>>> try implementing a scene save/open callback to perform the >>>>>>>>>> encryption live >>>>>>>>>> and natively, rather than rely on an external tool. It could be as >>>>>>>>>> simple >>>>>>>>>> as letting Maya produce that binary `.mb` file of 1's and 0's, and >>>>>>>>>> reversing the whole thing on save, and then do the opposite on load. >>>>>>>>>> No one >>>>>>>>>> would know it happened, and it would unlikely have any noticeable >>>>>>>>>> effect on >>>>>>>>>> save/load time, and there are equal callbacks for exporting. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 4 Sept 2021 at 22:26, Rudi Hammad <rudih...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I think they must have thought about the export aswell. >>>>>>>>>>> Otherwise it wouldn't make any sense. >>>>>>>>>>> Of course ideally you would each person would work in their >>>>>>>>>>> office stations remotly, but it is not up to me. So if I choose not >>>>>>>>>>> work >>>>>>>>>>> with a client unless he guaranties remote workstation solutions, I >>>>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>>> loose a lot of work. >>>>>>>>>>> Also many studios have not the resources , and even if they do, >>>>>>>>>>> the lag is some times to high to work remotly. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Many times sharing is accidental due to the lack of control, or >>>>>>>>>>> planning in a production. In my experience I was doing a freelance >>>>>>>>>>> work a >>>>>>>>>>> couple of month a go. And we where all working remotly in our >>>>>>>>>>> personal >>>>>>>>>>> computers. >>>>>>>>>>> The supervisor at somepoint, sent me a rig from another project >>>>>>>>>>> as a reference. So obviously that was accidental because working in >>>>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>>>> situations like that, you do always thing that you are doing >>>>>>>>>>> anywrong. >>>>>>>>>>> So even if you sign NDAs, and you have good intentions, it can >>>>>>>>>>> leak. And of course, there is always people with bad intentions, so >>>>>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>>>>> can't be naive thinking that everyone will be professional. I work >>>>>>>>>>> with a >>>>>>>>>>> guy who managed >>>>>>>>>>> to get rigs that he shouldn't have. When I asked how did he get >>>>>>>>>>> them, he told me he took them out of the office in his last day. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> My point being, that with a system like V Crypt, wheter it is by >>>>>>>>>>> accident or not, it might be the solution to encrypt files and >>>>>>>>>>> safely work >>>>>>>>>>> as freelance (specially for me since now I am full time freelancer) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I'll keep you posted >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> El sábado, 4 de septiembre de 2021 a las 22:59:06 UTC+2, >>>>>>>>>>> justin...@gmail.com escribió: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Sep 5, 2021 at 8:38 AM Marcus Ottosson < >>>>>>>>>>>> konstr...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> That is true, that does sound like a good idea. Assuming the >>>>>>>>>>>>> software actually does what it says on the tin, it would at least >>>>>>>>>>>>> protect >>>>>>>>>>>>> against theft and accidental sharing. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> It wouldn’t protect against sending files though, because if >>>>>>>>>>>>> someone wanted to send some model or some rig, they could still >>>>>>>>>>>>> just export >>>>>>>>>>>>> it to a new .ma? For that, you’d probably be better off >>>>>>>>>>>>> intermingling it with custom nodes. Like how anything rigged with >>>>>>>>>>>>> mGear is >>>>>>>>>>>>> riddled with mGear nodes, making anyone attempting to open that >>>>>>>>>>>>> rig without >>>>>>>>>>>>> mGear loaded left with a sorely broken rig. And no amount of >>>>>>>>>>>>> exporting or >>>>>>>>>>>>> tampering with the scene file could fix it. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> From the video it looks like you have to launch Maya from their >>>>>>>>>>>> launcher, which I assume installs a particular reader/writer >>>>>>>>>>>> plugin. I >>>>>>>>>>>> wonder if it's specific to ma/mb file types or if it hooks into >>>>>>>>>>>> every type. >>>>>>>>>>>> Because I was thinking that same thing you said about exporting to >>>>>>>>>>>> other >>>>>>>>>>>> formats, and would that go through the same hook? Also once Maya >>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>> launched, could someone turn off the plugin after the scene is >>>>>>>>>>>> loaded? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> When it comes to protecting stuff like code, usually you hear >>>>>>>>>>>> the best security is to just never let the source get onto the >>>>>>>>>>>> client side. >>>>>>>>>>>> But with DCC scene files if you have to work with them locally >>>>>>>>>>>> then it >>>>>>>>>>>> feels like there is going to be some way to defeat it. Once its >>>>>>>>>>>> unencrypted >>>>>>>>>>>> in the DCC, there must be a weakness that might just be more >>>>>>>>>>>> obscure to >>>>>>>>>>>> many people and the security is really just focused on the obvious >>>>>>>>>>>> act of >>>>>>>>>>>> copying files around. Probably the better approach is just not >>>>>>>>>>>> letting >>>>>>>>>>>> people work on their person workstations and only support a remote >>>>>>>>>>>> workstation solution like teradici. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 4 Sept 2021 at 19:50, Rudi Hammad <rudih...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes I am refereing to the actual file, not source code. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here's a usecase: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> due to covid a lot of production are done remotly. In >>>>>>>>>>>>>> somecase you can connect by logging remotly to office computers >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to work, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> in which case no protection is needed since it pretty much as if >>>>>>>>>>>>>> you where >>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the office. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> But in many cases, the files are sent to personal computers. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let's say you rig characters that are sent to 10 different >>>>>>>>>>>>>> animators to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> their personal computers. Despite the NDAs, its impossible to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> police >>>>>>>>>>>>>> everyone, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> specially if you don't know the client but you don't want to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> miss the opportunity to get a job. There is no guaranty that >>>>>>>>>>>>>> someone will >>>>>>>>>>>>>> not leak the file outside the production. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> So here is where you use in V Crypt system. It is not like >>>>>>>>>>>>>> you are recieving a file from an untrusted source because you >>>>>>>>>>>>>> are part of a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> production and you know that your .mb and .ma files are from the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rigger not >>>>>>>>>>>>>> form a the prince >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of niggeria that is asking you for money XD. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's seem a pretty secure way of working don't you think? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> you know you recieve a file that is encrypted because you know >>>>>>>>>>>>>> you are in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> production context. You can open it and work with it. It simply >>>>>>>>>>>>>> won't work >>>>>>>>>>>>>> outside you >>>>>>>>>>>>>> computer. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> El sábado, 4 de septiembre de 2021 a las 20:06:47 UTC+2, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Marcus Ottosson escribió: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To protect the contents of a Maya file? Typically protection >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would involve software, like Python source, but you mean to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> protect like a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> model or some animation? At that point, why wouldn’t you just >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hold onto the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> file, and not send it or make it publicly available? Maybe you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> particualr usecase in mind, because I can’t quite see it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also I would be most weary opening an .mb from an untrusted >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> source. That’s what .ma is for, so you can inspect it for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any script-related things. I’ve been bitten before and, as they >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> saying >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> goes, fool me once. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 4 Sept 2021 at 16:17, Rudi Hammad < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rudih...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a while a go I create a thread about protecting your work. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Along the same lines I saw this >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> V Crypt maya files >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZc2-FcLuiI> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So in theory, you can generate a license for the computer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mac address, and inside your >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .ma and .mb so some kind of assertion make sure sure that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the file is being open in the right computer. And since both >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> files are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> crypted, you can remove that block of the code. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also, if you try to saveAs, it is saved with th crypted >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> format. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It seems like a good solution right? what do you think? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> R >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "Python Programming for Autodesk Maya" group. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from it, send an email to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> python_inside_m...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/python_inside_maya/a1c4949b-eead-412d-b10a-6750ab07ef85n%40googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 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