On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:12:13 +0000, Michael Hudson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Troy Rollins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I for one, don't care to think of myself in the context of "begger", > > but more so in the context of uninitiated contributor. If developers, > > new to python, have a barrier to entry, they may well walk of to Ruby, > > or Lua... etc. At some point, I'd like to be contributing to the > > effort, but just getting off the ground is a bit daunting. > > I may be missing details from earlier posts, but what is currently > daunting you? Have you looked at the Python tutorial or the PyObjC > tutorial, to pick two simple examples? >
Well, I've transitioned between tools like Director, REALbasic, and Revolution, and extremely quickly moved into creating non-trivial applications. With Python, it is far less condusive to "playing" and therefore seems to hold me somewhere around the print "hello world" stage. Yes, I've look at the cited examples... perhaps they simply didn't connect with me on the right level. Python stuff always seems to be written from the perspective of "ok, you are starting from a lower level language", but many of us are probably coming from the other direction â a higher level language... Lingo, REALbasic, etc. It would seem to me that the transition to Python should be easy, but perhaps I just haven't yet encountered the right materials. I just received 3 books on Python from Amazon. Every one of them starts with the line "this book does not teach you to program in Python, and assumes you already know how to do that." Perhaps it is just my own dumb luck, but that is the angle most web materials take as well in my experience. OR, it is print "hello world". I'm pretty committed to learning this, but I'm somewhat surprised at how much productivity I have to throw away in order to do it. Many would say "well, that's free software for you." But, I'm not interested in the "free" part. Free is not what is important to me. Frankly, I'd rather pay for something productive. My time is worth WAY more than whatever a decent tool would cost. The part that interests me is open source, and "future-proofing." To me, "free" translates to "loss of productivity." I'm not a hobbyist, and I'm not looking to Python as something to use "outside of my day job." I make my living with tools like this, and have a staff that does as well. Please don't interpret any of my comments as saying anything bad about list members, contributors, or Python. That isn't the intent at all. I do realize that these things take time, that Python is free and open-source, and that only I am responsible for my ability to use it, and choice to do so. -- Troy Rollins RPSystems, Ltd. www.rpsystems.net _______________________________________________ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
