On Sep 26, 2006, at 4:51 PM, Bob Ippolito wrote: > On 9/26/06, Dave Reed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> On Sep 25, 2006, at 6:31 PM, Russell E Owen wrote: >> >> > At 5:26 PM -0400 2006-09-25, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >> I'm very interested in this and would be happy to help with >> >> testing. I teach Python at the college level using John Zelle's >> >> Python book (it uses Tk for simple GUI programs). Most of the >> >> programs run fine, but some of the more complex ones crash >> >> intermittently within Tk. The same program seems to run fine on >> >> Windows using 2.4.3 although it does crash intermittently on >> >> CentOS 4.3 within Tk. >> >> >> >> In the meantime, are you saying the simplest solution for my >> >> students with Macs is to use ActiveState (some have G4 laptops and >> >> some have Intel based laptops)? >> >> >> >> I have a G5 running 10.3.9 at work (IT isn't planning to upgrade >> >> yet) and a G5 running 10.4.x at home so I'll be happy to test on >> >> both of those. >> > >> > If it's bugs in Tcl/Tk that are causing the crashes then by all >> > means I would try: >> > - Install ActiveState Tcl/Tk 8.4.11 or 8.4.13. >> > - Install MacPython (it's better than the one from Apple, plus >> > you're about to modify python, and you shouldn't modify anything >> > in /System) >> > - Modify _tkinter.so according to Bob Ippolito's recipe. At the >> > command line: >> > >> > install_name_tool \ >> > -change /System/Library/Frameworks/Tcl.framework/Versions/8.4/ >> > Tcl \ >> > /Library/Frameworks/Tcl.framework/Versions/8.4/Tcl \ >> > -change /System/Library/Frameworks/Tk.framework/Versions/ >> 8.4/Tk \ >> > /Library/Frameworks/Tk.framework/Versions/8.4/Tk \ >> > /Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.4/lib/python2.4/ >> lib- >> > dynload/_tkinter.so >> > >> > The above command should be six lines long; you'll probably have to >> > unwrap at least the last line. >> > >> > An alternative is to install ActiveState Python instead of >> > MacPython, because it works with ActiveState Tcl/Tk "out of the >> > box". But it doesn't include readline. You can add readline, but I >> > think it's easier to fix _tkinter.so. >> > >> > -- Russell >> >> >> I installed ActiveState Tcl and MacPython 2.4.3 on the 10.3.9 >> machine. The /Systems/Library/Frameworks/Tk.framework directory does >> not exist (the Tcl.Framework directory does so I tried the above >> install_name_tool line with just the Tcl lines (and the final line >> with ._tkinter.so). >> >> I can't get some Tk programs to run now. Using the graphics.py >> file at: >> http://mcsp.wartburg.edu/zelle/python/graphics.py >> >> I get: >> >> >> $ /usr/local/bin/python >> Python 2.4.3 (#1, Apr 7 2006, 10:54:33) >> [GCC 4.0.1 (Apple Computer, Inc. build 5250)] on darwin >> Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more >> information. >> >>> import graphics >> >>> Tk_MacOSXSetupTkNotifier: first [load] of TkAqua has to occur in >> the main thread! >> Abort trap >> >> Does anyone still have a 10.3.9 system to try importing that >> graphics.py file and see if it works for them? Any thoughts on making >> it work? I have an old python 2.3.5 from fink that does import >> graphics.py ok and works fine for many simple programs but crashes on >> more complicated programs. >> >> I have not yet tried it on the 10.4.7 G5 yet. > > From that warning, it appears that the way graphics.py uses threads is > not compatible with TkAqua. It either needs to be refactored to do its > graphics stuff in the main thread, or you need to use an X11 Tk. > > -bob
Thanks Bob and Ronald. There's an alternate version of the graphics.py file (graphics22.py) here: http://mcsp.wartburg.edu/zelle/python/ that says it is non-threaded, but I thought I tried it at work on the 10.3.9 system and got the same error (I'll double check tomorrow). I believe the separate thread was used because it caused fewer problems with idle on Windows, but I'll have to check with John Zelle to be certain. Dave _______________________________________________ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
