On 10/31/06, Jacob Rus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Christopher Barker wrote: > > Jacob Rus wrote: > >> Admittedly, the python bundle is not as polished > >> as those for some other languages (html and ruby for instance), but it > >> is still head and shoulders above all the other editors listed above, in > >> my opinion. some more people from this list ought to give it a shot > >> (the python bundle really needs some more competent contributors to live > >> up to its potential, > > > > Can the Python mode be altered/improved by users? Is TextMate open to > > input/contribution from users? > > Yes indeed, which is why I say it needs to have more contributors from > the Mac Python community. There are several dozen active contributors > to the bundle repository (only a few python users though), and the > community seems in general to be quite energetic and active. > > Allan tosses new features to bundle contributors every few weeks (last > week it was the quite impressive new tm_dialog tool, which allows a > command to use interface builder .nib files as a dialog, sending the > result back to the command as a plist file), and those features ripple > down through the bundles as people build new toys to take advantage of them. > > Anyway, the primary places where the current TextMate python bundle can > be improved are a) a better python script runner, with prettier styled > output, and more linkified tracebacks, b) better documentation of the > bundle, and better tools for fetching documentation about the functions > and classes being used. and c) more snippets and commands for code-entry > can be added. Snippets a very powerful tool, and the python bundle > under-utilizes them at the moment. > > > That is what it takes to really make it > > shine. A couple years ago a BBedit user posted excerpts from an email > > discussion with the BBedit folks about how they might improve BBEdit for > > Python -- and it came down to the BBedit folks saying : you shouldn't > > want to do that, and we're not going to let you -- it was clear none of > > them was a regular Python user, so BBedit's Python support is still > > severely lacking. > > That is very sad. TextMate, and its community certainly do not share > this philosophy. The TextMate support for python is already > significantly better than BBEdit's support. But it's not as good as it > could be, either. > > > The primary reason I use Xemacs is because it has excellent modes for > > EVERY kind of text I edit -- and ALL of them were written by serious > > users of the respective type of text -- that's why they are so good > > (didn't Guido write the original Python mode for Emacs?) > > Well, personally, as a Mac user, I think that a python bundle that fully > took advantage of TextMate would be nicer than the emacs python mode. > But it will take a non-trivial amount of work. One of the problems with > the current TextMate is that grammars and folding patterns, etc. are > rather geared toward working with end markers on blocks, and don't > really handle indentation-based structure as well as I would like. But > I think those problems will go away in TextMate 2.0, which should come > out sometime after Leopard does (when I'm hoping python 2.5 and pyObjC > will be shipped standard with the OS??). > > TextMate's scope system is based around a quite understandable, and > extremely flexible, regular-expression-based lexer/parser, and though it > makes a few compromises in the name of efficiency (Text Editors have > different needs than compilers and interpreters, naturally), it stands > head and shoulders above any other editor when it comes to scoping all > the elements of a language, and allowing granular context-sensitive > control of the editor's behavior. I really think all powerful editors > will work this way in 10 years, as it's too useful a feature for others > to ignore for long. > > > I'm still looking for an editor/IDE that supports everything I do, and > > works on all three platforms I need it on > > Well, it doesn't work on Windows or Linux, but on the Mac, in my opinion > TextMate is the nicest editor around. There are quite a few emacs/vim > converts in the community, who seem to be happily adjusted. > > I think at the very least, every Mac user who deals with any significant > amount of structured text or code owes it to themselves to download the > 30-day trial. I estimate within 2 weeks, you'll be hooked ;)
Well, as a point of reference.. I bought TextMate because it's nice to use for demos and such.. but I still use Vim for writing Python code and Emacs for writing Erlang code. I never could get hooked on TextMate, despite trying. It just isn't as convenient to use as what I'm used to... for example, I do quite a lot of regexing, and that takes a lot more effort from TextMate. I do like how it colors diffs though, I find myself piping commands such as "svn diff" into it now and then. -bob _______________________________________________ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
