I do agree that such a boycott is problematic, in the same way that boycotting apolitical Chinese organizations for China's crimes against humanity is problematic. But I do agree with Markus that Russia's actions here are abominable. I think a reasonable compromise, FWIW, could be that Russian QGIS devs/users, at least those in the diaspora, unequivocally condemn Russian aggression and declare solidarity with Ukraine, or make some similar declaration. Ari
On Thu, Feb 24, 2022 at 1:49 PM Jeff Sonnentag <[email protected]> wrote: > You can have another "Fully agreed with Andreas" from here. . . . > > Would you be overjoyed and supportive of a "boycott" of QGIS if it comes > out anybody in any war is using it for mapping stuff? > > People could come up with all kinds of places considered "civilized" that > went/are way off the tracks on COVID BS. Want to ban participation of all > the other people who live under tyrants too? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Qgis-user <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Paolo > Cavallini > Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2022 4:53 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Qgis-user] Help Ukraine, Boycott Russia > > Fully agreed with Andreas. We try to make the world a better, more free > place by developing QGIS with a free and open source licence, let's stick > to this and welcome any contribution. > Cheers. > > Il 24/02/22 13:29, Andreas Neumann ha scritto: > > Dear Markus, > > > > This is a really difficult topic that you raise here. While I agree > > that the aggression from the Putin regime should be condemned, I am > > against excluding Russian QGIS contributors and sustaining members. If > > we start excluding countries and organizations on such assumptions - > > where do we draw the line? The majority of today's world population > > unfortunately has to live in problematic conditions, when it concerns > > democracy and dictators. Also - where should be draw the line on what > > is ethical use of QGIS and what not? Is oil exploration utilizing QGIS > > software allowed, as an example? > > > > As the current QGIS.ORG <http://QGIS.ORG> treasurer I can say that we > > had a sustaining member from Russia last year - there is no indication > > that this company is collaborating with the Putin government - though > > it is of course a bit hard to judge - of course - for outsiders. > > > > The vast majority of the Russian population is probably suffering from > > Putin's politics - my guess is that the majority of the Russian > > population would like to live in peace and prosperity and not be > > involved in such war and aggression. But do they have a real choice? > > Fair elections? I doubt it ... In that sense I am against excluding > > Russian QGIS users and contributors based on these events. > > > > We also have QGIS contributors from Ukraine who are now affected by > > this aggression - let's be supportive when there could be Ukrainian > > refugees in the coming months - and let's hope that this situation can > > soon be deescalated. > > > > Greetings, > > Andreas > > > > On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 at 10:09, [email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > > Dear List, > > > > like all free people in the world I totally condemn the Russian > > invasion in Ukraine this morning. This is an attack on the free > > world and especially on Europe and on all values of freedom which we > > all represent in a global, peaceful open source community. > > > > - So, what can each individual do to defend this freedom? > > - What can the QGIS community do? > > - How can we be sure, that the know-how we develop will not be used > > for Russian military purposes against the Ukraine? > > > > The invasion was confirmed by the Duma, the Russian parliament which > > is the representative body of the Russian people. Consequently the > > Russian population bears responsibility for the invasion and we > > should led them know, that military force against an independent, > > free and democratic European country goes against all the values > > we stand for in the open source community. > > > > The least we can do is starting to think about a boycott of Russian > > products and Russian co-operations to express our opinion to all > > Russian companies and partners we know. Finally its up to the > > ordinary Russian man to change this unbearable situation which is > > becoming a permanent threat to free Europe. > > > > With this respect the QGIS developer community should also think > > about excluding Russian partners and sponsors from all QGIS > > activities as long as Russian troops are in the Ukraine. > > > > I think, the values of freedom we stand for, is the highest good we > > must defend! > > > > How do you think about it? > > > > Very concerned greeting. > > > > Markus Weidenbach > > landConsult.de > > Bühl/Germany > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Qgis-user mailing list > > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > List info: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user > > <https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user> > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user > > <https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user> > > > > > > > > -- > > > > -- > > Andreas Neumann > > QGIS.ORG <http://QGIS.ORG> board member (treasurer) > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Qgis-user mailing list > > [email protected] > > List info: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user > > -- > Paolo Cavallini > www.faunalia.eu - QGIS.org > training, support, development on QGIS, PostGIS and more > _______________________________________________ > Qgis-user mailing list > [email protected] > List info: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user > Unsubscribe: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user > _______________________________________________ > Qgis-user mailing list > [email protected] > List info: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user > Unsubscribe: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user >
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