----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Firshman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 8:14 PM
Subject: Re: [ql-users] QWord payment
On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 at 13:37:05, Rich Mellor wrote: (ref: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>)
On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 12:02:23 +0000, Jeremy Taffel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
A word of caution here for people paying through Paypal.. My daughter lost £500 last year. She bought tickets for the Reading Festival through e-bay, and paid through Paypal after the box-office had sold them, but before they had printed or distributed them. By e-bay rules she had to pay immediately. She waited until the tickets had been distributed (which was much later this year than previously) but when hers were not sent on to her she tried to contact the parties concerned. The person selling had, by then, disappeared. Both E-bay and Paypal refused to get involved because it was too long after the transaction. The matter was referred to the police, who seem to have done SFA about it, even though the "seller" could be traced via his ISP.
Same problem as dealing with any trader over the internet - however you pay them. You need to know that they are reliable really !!
You can't blame PayPal or eBay - your daughter should have paid via escrow knowing that the tickets were not yet printed. If the seller does not offer that option, then don't deal with them - under escrow the money is held until you confirm that the goods have been received.
You have to be -very- careful of online escrow. There are many cases of dummy escrow sites which are -very- convincing.
Have a read of this: http://www.zug.com/pranks/powerbook/ A brilliant piece of anti-scammer work. I had lost my link, but I remembered they has misspelt Edgware Road as 'Edgeware", so google found it!
If the seller has disappeared, not much that PayPal or eBay can do - they only provide the platform for paying and receiving money / selling and buying goods.
Your daughter should have gone to her credit card company - they will refund any payment over £50 if it turns out to be to a fraudulent trader or the trader gets put into liquidation.
I am pretty sure that this applies -only- to transactions over £100, and they will refund the total amount. However a recent case suggests this will only work for a UK transaction, not overseas.
There is now a www.paypal.co.uk, wher you pay in pounds rather than dollars!
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