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> In all fairness here this is not a M$ problem but sheer laziness on the 
> part of the companies concerned. Vista was available as a free time 
> expired beta version for over a year. 

True, very true. 

However, how many big (or small) companies run anything productive on beta 
software? I believe, but cannot confirm, that as the beta program progressed 
more and more of the 'good stuff' was actually removed from Vista (does anyone 
else remember Vista dried curries - just add boiling water for a hot tasty (!) 
dish?) until we ended up with a $6 billion bill for some fancy new graphics and 
nothing of the 'good stuff' remaining. (And, to rub salt in, Linux has already 
had all/most (you choose) of the new features for years - and you don't need to 
replace your PC to run it!)




> The problems the ISPs are 
> experiencing mainly relate to the security features in Vista which are 
> there to stop malicious software changing system settings. 

And which will be turned off just as soon as the user has had their second or 
third 'alert'.


> It will work 
> with all ISPs if you can manually configure the computer (most of us 
> could do that) but, as Stuart Honeyball would have it, the 'great 
> unwashed', want a CD to do it all for them and the ISPs did not bother 
> to investigate if their CDs would work until the users started to 
> complain. 

Most likely correct. Let's face it, lazyness is good for the soul :o)


> IE7 has also been available for a while and runs on XP so why 
> not check on an older machine first to see if it causes problems. Why 
> not, because they are too lazy to do it.

IE7 is a steaming great pile of crud. It is not CSS compliant (try it out on my 
own page at www.bountiful.demon.co.uk/qstripper.html and see - and that's not 
even 'complicated' CSS) and we are having a few problems with it not working 
here at work - the planned rollout was aborted after most of our system failed 
to work when running IE7. The major problem being (I suspoect) that the webby 
stuff generated by the applications is 'tuned' to run on IE5 and/or IE6 and 
#'caters' for bugs in those browsers. They won't even run on Firefox - so we 
cannot blame IE7, just IEx in general.


> This is not to say that Vista does not have problems or that M$ has done 
> a better job with this than they did with any of their other programs. 

Indeed, don't plug your iPod in to Vista just yet - you can trash the OS in 
your iPod.


> By all means criticise M$ for its failings but do recognise that, when 
> your Web Cam, Video Card, Sound Card, USB coffee heater (yes it exists!) 
> does not work it is not always down to M$ but often down to companies 
> who cannot be bothered to sort it out beforehand. 

I'm all in favopur of a good slagging off - where one is needed and 
appropriate. M$ is in the market to be a monopoly and has many 'dubious' 
practices to help it along. A friend of my wife had his program given the M$ 
treatment - they ask to but it for a pittance, you refuse, when you start 
advertising and investing in marketing etc, they announce that they have a 
version of 'xxx' coming real soon, your sales stop as the M$ one has to be much 
better - result, no competition. And two or three years down the line, a 
crappier version appears. I have no time for 'cheating' in any form - whic is 
why I don't watch football.


> Oh yes, and maybe they 
> want to sell you a new  Web Cam, Video Card, Sound Card, USB coffee 
> heater which does have Vista drivers. Cynical, me?

I teach cynicism (I'm just not very good at spelling it !) so I suepct I might 
be better at it than you :o)

Vista is just a glorified Windows 95 - it's vastly expensive, it under 
performns, it requires a huge investment in hardware and provides nothing much 
in return. Stick with XP if you have to run Windows - or come over from the 
'dark side' and try Linux.

And another thing, which may not be related, has anyone noticed a huge increase 
in spam and phishing emails recently (especially 'Dear Paypal customer') I've 
had over 400 this week so far and it's only Wednesday. The usual reason is a 
new Windows version leading to lots of new unprotected connections to the 
internet and withing 15 seconds (I have read) an unprotected Windows box will 
be detected and zombified into sending out spam, trojans, etc. I suspect that 
Vista is not quite as well protected as we are being told.


I know for a fact that the default administrator password on XP is not to 
actually have one, and that that information is buried 'deep' in the tiny 
handbook thatcomes with XP - and whihc I presume nobody reads due to its total 
lack of usefulness !


Enough ranting :o)


Cheers,
Norm.




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