At 07:07 01/02/2008 +0100, you wrote:
I had read that it was recommended to make space on the disk under windows 
first, which as I
said, is what I did.
Then is just detected the unallocated space and proposed a sensible way of 
dividing this up into
the usual 3 linux partitions.
All  I had to do was click OK....

What on earth gave rise to a SPAM-HIGH: warning ?

It is surely just common sense that if you want a multiple boot machine you 
should mark the space out before installations. I have no idea what Linux 
has to offer in the way of such tools, but you have FDISK with Windows 
though PQMAGIC on a floppy is my preff'.
Bearing in mind you need a Primary ptn' for each bootup, only one of which 
can be active at a time. Any other space for programs and data I place in 
an extended frame. That info' is in the MBR and handled by the BIOS which 
informs whatever OS is present or th be installed.

It was MDV! & 2 or FLP1 or 2 that made me an inveterate partitioner (even 
more so under FAT16 cluster sizing), separation of prog' & data seems just 
common sense - quite apart from the OS. Many don't believe, everything in 
the C: drive, swapfile and all, maximum fragging !
I was surprised to see in XP help MS recommendation the pagefile to be on a 
diff' drive !!

The QL also taught me about file layout on the medium, I had a set of the 
TURBO load PSION suite , each sector of the file was saved at an interval 
on the tape so that a following gulp was present at the head as the last 
mouthful had been swallowed. A precursor to the Floppy interleave.

I did once install W95, 98 & 2000 in one box, as I recall it was a doddle, 
Windows just used free space to make the new primaries, but of course on 
the virgin disk there was nothing to get in the way, or, like a Linux drive 
- to be thought of as unallocated space - unrecognised as such. I never 
used it in anger, one OS is more complex than I can master.

As to laptops I have used -  First was a Daewoo ! 1999 -Sounds odd but not 
bad at all, nothing kooky, just like a PC clone - W95 disc included. Sadly 
the friction hinge lost it's grip on the screen and later a bit of fragment 
found it's way to the voltage regulators and blew them away.

There was an HP, 2001,not for my personal use, came with XP when I was 
quite content with 98, tried to roll it back but being proprietary based 
there were no drivers written for 98 so Back to XP- NTFS - HP patent 
reinstallation, total C: drive. No floppy, CD-RW  PAR PS2 SVGA 2USB

Next was a German Medion 2001, sometime sold thru' Aldi in DE I found in 
Toys R Us ! Heavy but with all the usual ports - SER PAR PS2 & Kbd 4USB IR 
FIWI S_video, FLP &CD, Modem & Network. 2pcmcia. SVGA and XP disc.

Modem failed after 10 months so a PCMCIA card was easier than shipping . 
then it got pulled off a chair, cable round a castor, 18" drop broke 
backlight, quoted £150 or £70 - maybe I could do it for £20 . . . Still in 
occasional use over network or with a monitor. A heavy lump but perfectly 
adequate.
As with all (I have seen) the keyboard, the need to bottom the key rather 
than the regular touch2break. This is no prob' for those that use kbd as an 
exercise m/c, those you find yourself next to you in the library or Inet 
Kaff making such a hell of a racket but I SUFFER with NO loss of hearing, 
and am handicapped by laziness. The keys are so complex to remove, not to 
mention replace, if something gets underneath. I recommend a regular 
airline blast.

2004, replace the Medion with an ACER, a long search down Tottenham court 
Rd. I was happy to find it FAT32, but already short of ports, as it was not 
loaded up I got the seller to put XP into a limited primary part'n and 
create the extended p't'n. Proper installation discs and nothing 
aggressively proprietary, works fine but I really don't like the keyboard 
and touchpad, sometimes use a USB device to attach a PS2 mouse&kbd, 
strangely more complex than one might think as you can run a USB mouse in a 
PS2 socket but not vice versa. Any missing ports can be emulated with 
modest USB devices. Does detract from the portability.

A Sony VAIO of a friend caused quite a headache, a reinstallation was a 
pain due to the Sony Specials and an unhelpful dealership

Lastly my wife bought an Advent when I was away, at least it is not Vista, 
but as the OS and delivered software is only in a recovery partition, no 
discs, one cannot reformat the HDD without losing the system. I have never 
invoked one of these recovery procedures, I presume they can only do so by 
recreating the original environment, everything else would be lost.

There is a sense in which I would not feel I had acquired ownership of such 
a machine It may be an economy and advantage for the supplier not to 
include a full OS installation, at point of purchase the punter has no choice.

I think it may be possible to get the problem by putting a different HDD in 
and trying a clean installation, if you were wanting to use XP instead of 
Vista you would discover if XP had sufficient drivers. But if the hardware 
is a late development there would likely be no backward compatibility.

For those within striking distance I would recommend Bayswater Computer 
Fair, wide range of dealers, 7 days p/wk. Just Nth of Queensway Ice Rink.
There is a chap who replaces screens or back lights, loads of laptops, I 
find it is no longer worthwhile to assemble PC boxes, the last 3 have come 
from there, partitioned as required and OS installed.





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