On Tue, October 22, 2013 7:51 pm, Geoff Wicks wrote: > On 21/10/2013 21:13, Richard Mellor t/as RWAP Services wrote: >> On Mon, October 21, 2013 12:59 pm, Geoff Wicks wrote: >>> I have considered Rich's proposal carefully and I like it, but sorry >>> Rich, you have not produced for me a business case. I have no idea from >>> what you write how much the show would cost Quanta. If you want this >>> show to go ahead you really need to do more homework. I need to know >>> who the partners will be, how reliable they are, and what the relative >>> costs would be for Quanta. I need to know an estimate of attendance >>> and, >>> given that there was a loss on the last occasion, what you anticipate >>> the loss to be. I also need to know more than just the venue costs. As >>> Sarah has pointed out there are many other costs to a show. Venue costs >>> represented about a third of the total costs of QLis21 and about a half >>> of the costs of QLis25. >>> >> I am not sure where the issue with this comes from... >> >> The idea is that the event to be held in Cambridge would be run and >> financed by me (although I would need some help). >> >> I don't think that it would be hard to get 100 people from all of the >> Sinclair world to come along to the event for the weekend, or one day - >> the Spectrum is 30 show tickets cost £25-£30 from memory, and they got >> over 200 visitors over the weekend. >> >> I was thinking charge £15 per visitor, paying £1000 for the venue, that >> leaves £500 buffer to cover my (and any co-organiser's attendance >> costs). >> >> Cost to Quanta? They would just pay £15 for each Quanta member who >> turned >> up - so it depends on how many Quanta members turn up... Quanta members >> would get free entry, so maybe some QLers may decide to sign up to >> Quanta >> and get the free ticket. They could even do it as a discounted ticket - >> so Quanta members still paid £5 (say). >> >> Quanta would need a presence on the day, but that need only be 1 or 2 >> people - not the whole committee - as it is just not viable to get this >> orgnised now in time for next year's AGM. >> >> The AGM could be held in Manchester - even virtually - in April at >> minimal >> cost. >> >> Rich >> www.rwapsoftware.co.uk >> www.sellmyretro.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> QL-Users Mailing List >> http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm > > Thanks for the additional information. Pity I did not know this before. > > What puzzles me is why Sarah wrote in the April/May magazine as if it > was almost a done deal and then they backtrack in Oct/Nov. Surely they > should have realised what the costs were in April. > > Unfortunately Sarah often makes statements in the magazine that she > never delivers. This has happened too often over the website. I gave > Quanta very favourable coverage in QL Today only to find I had been > duped. That's why I have been so hard on Quanta's web failings more > recently, >
I thought I had put this in my original suggestion - I never suggested that Quanta fund the whole event. In April / May, so far as I know, the Quanta committee had not investigated any options for holding the event at all. I had made the suggestion that they look at an event at Snibston in April 2014 (not Cambridge) as part of the Leicester based retro computer museum's vintage gaming weekend (which was building on the one they held there this year) - which the committee seemed to be in favour of. However, when I contacted Snibston, they were struggling to offer a small room for a committee meeting / AGM. Talks could be held in the lecture theatre but the cost came back as £1500-£2000 for the day !! I then made a few enquiries to try and find a venue which could offer a larger room for traders and a workshop - but even then, I was thinking of an all Sinclair event to help cover the costs. However, every venue I tried could either not offer anything, or were asking silly money. My last attempt was to try the computer museum at Cambridge, which initially seemed not to be ideal, as it is a bit out of the way, on an industrial estate with what appears to be limited parking - however, the museum have converted their large empty space into two rooms - one of which is a classroom, the other the main display hall, and said that on a weekend the courtyard outside is empty offering around 40 parking spaces. A Holiday Inn has just opened over the road from them, and they eventually came back with confirmation that the bus routes could drop people 5 minutes walk away. They also offered the cut price of £1000 for the weekend on the basis that the museum could stay open to the public still. The latter makes a ticketed event a little awkward unless you can cordon off part of the main hall. However that seemed about the best I could find.... _______________________________________________ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
