D. J. Bernstein writes:
 > Russell Nelson writes:
 > > binaries vary from machine to machine, and
 > > cannot be compared against a known-good copy.
 > 
 > The same is true of all sorts of configuration files, so of course the
 > system can deal with it.

I'm sorry, I must be dumber than you.  I don't follow the "of course"
handwaving.

 > > Restore the system to a usable state through removal of tainted binaries.
 > 
 > If your machine has been compromised, you must reinstall. If you merely
 > verify the constant files, you are missing hundreds of security-critical
 > system-dependent files. Your suggestion, manual inspection, is absurd.

Manual inspection of binaries is absurd, I agree with you.  Manual
inspection of system-dependent files is not absurd.  Doing a ``diff''
against configuration files of known quality is quite reasonable.  I
know; I have done it.  Do not tell me that something I have done is
absurd.  My experience tells me that you are wrong.  You will not be
able to persuade me that something that I have done is not possible.

The cost of regenerating a system from scratch is impossibly high.
Your suggestion, reinstallation, is absurd.

 > > That means that qmail must carry its own binary editor around with it.
 > 
 > Simple matter of programming, already done in qmail 1.03. No problem.

How do I know this code is secure?  How do I know that it has modified
the right thing?  You are dismissing my objections, not addressing
them.  I am not being persuaded, I am being told that my concerns are
unimportant.

It is easier to fail than to change.  You refuse to change; you
continue to fail.  If you continue to dismiss my concerns rather than
address them, you will continue to fail to persuade me.  I can
*guarantee* it.

 > > If modification is not possible,
 > 
 > Red herring. Modification is possible.

Modification is not possible for redhat, since they cryptographically
sign the executables on their CD.  Are you saying that cryptography is 
a bad thing?

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