On Thu, Jan 28, 1999 at 11:28:45AM -0600, Chris Garrigues wrote:
> > From:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Date:  Thu, 28 Jan 1999 12:20:14 +0100 (MET)
> >
> > On Wed, 27 Jan 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > 
> > > > That's not what we are discussing. I'm not paying you to receive my mai
> > l,
> > > > your users are paying you, so that they can receive _their_ mail. Eithe
> > r
> > > > them come from dial-up or not.
> > > 
> > > There are some services we choose to offer to our customers and there are
> > > some services that we choose not to offer to our customers.  If someone w
> > ants
> > > a service we do not offer, we advise the to find someone who does.
> > 
> > This is not a service that you offer, like extra POP accounts, detailed
> > accounting by the second, whatever. This is something you are _NOT_
> > providing. Or before users sign the contract, you SPECIFICALLY say, _WE DO
> > NOT_ accept mail sent directly from dial-ups?
> 
> Hopefully, you do say that you don't allow the sending of SPAM from your 
> customers.  You can then route all your dialup users through a ipmasq firewall 
> and make sure a line like this is in the firewall's rc files:
> 
> /sbin/ipfwadm -I -a accept -P tcp -S 10.0.0.0/8 -D default/0 25 -r 25
> 
> Now, anything they try to send to port 25 anywhere will be intercepted by qmail
> on your firewall and you can filter it out yourselves only allowing outgoing
> mail with sender domains which belong to your customers.  You aren't 
> stopping legitimate SMTP traffic, you're simply keeping your customers honest. 

Errr.. HOLD IT RIGHT THERE! (excuse the caps :)

You _are_ stopping legitimate SMTP traffic. Suppose one of your customers is hosting
a website with some webhosters. He gets his (business) mail from the webhoster's POP3
server. But ofcourse the webhoster won't allow his customer to relay thru him. The
customer should use the mailhost of his own ISP. You are preventing him from doing
that.

And.. no, I don't think he should pay you more to get a clear path because he's
a business user, because he might not be one. Lots of people have websites just
for fun, not for business.

Greetz, Peter.
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.| Peter van Dijk
.| [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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