> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave Sill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 1999 12:42 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: New qmail list et al
>
>
> "Alex Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >But, currently, it IS permissible on this list to
> >post messages that say things like "your an idiot"
> >or "this is off topic", "this has nothing to do with
> >qmail".
>
> That's shocking.
>
> >I don't know who is the list owner
>
> DJB
>
> >or if the list
> >owner is even remotely interested in making rules that
> >make it impermissable for users to ridicule other
> >subscribers or berate them for having too broad
> >an interpretation of topicality.
>
> I seriously doubt it. The list has functioned very well for years
> without babysitting. I see no need to start doing it now.
>
> >Of course I would gladly welcome an interest from
> >the current list owner to do this as it would improve
> >the list.
>
> In your opinion, perhaps. I prefer the current arrangement, where
> people are free to say whatever they want.
So, if what you are saying is true, then the posters who make
claims that some email is "off-topic" are exercising their
freedom of expression to say that but simultaneously are mistaken
or saying falshoods, since people are "free to say whatever they
want".
So, I guess it's like every baboon is free to do whatever it wants
and every baboon is free to pummel another for exercising that freedom?
> >I feel that part of what I am missing from the list
> >is the unsaid, the emails which have been self-censored
> >for fear of being made to feel stupid, or rudely off-topic.
> >I wish to liberate those folks.
>
> Oh, the tyranny of self control!
Wether it's tyrannical or not, I don't really care. I like the
qmail crypto list tryanny and all. But I am also interested
in the supposed "off-topic" subjects and wish to provide a resource.
If there are self-censored emails out there that haven't been
posted to the qmail crypto list, fine, I'm providing a place to
put them.
> >In the spirit of open-sourceness, my intention is to exercise
> >my freedom to start something new which I think is better. In
> >that same spirit of open-sourceness I would be very very happy
> >if the current list broadened it's narrow definition of on-topicness
>
> No. This is the qmail list, and discussion should stick to qmail. If
> it strays, people shouldn't be offended by requests to take it
> elsewhere.
Fine, this is the qmail list, and discussion should stick to qmail. Great.
No problem.
So if they want to stray, they can go to my list too.
>
> >and excluded those who would wish to be the enforcers of topicality
> >or otherwise ridicule others. They can do as they please on qmail
> >crypto
>
> Right. [EMAIL PROTECTED] is the open, anything-goes-including-
> ridicule-and-self-appointed-topicality-cops list, and yours can be the
> more restricted nice-only list.
>
> -Dave
>
Well, wether it's more restricted or less restricted, it would be different.
Alex
P.S.
Thanks for all the help you give on this list. The information you've
provided
on this list has been most helpful, even if it isn't addressing a stated
problem
of my own.
Many problems I've encountered were solved simply by finding an email with a
similar problem and reading your response to it! No posting required on my
part.
