On Sat, 20 Nov 1999, Peter Cavender wrote:

> If you are worried about sniffing, nothing that isn't fully encypted 
> is safe. POP, SMTP, telnet, etc. ad nauseum.  

No doubt for that ;)

> Talk like "you can only sniff if you are root" is silly.  I don't know
> where these people work, but everybody here has root for their machine,
> and certainly 
> all the techies at your ISP do for theirs...  And about those routers 
> on the way...

Yes. But if you really cares about security you CAN (and IMHO you SHOULD)
not enable anyone except you to be root in your subnet. You may do that by
NOT using dynamic addressing and restrincting physical access to your
computers and hubs.

> If you want security, HARD ENCRYPT YOUR CONTENT.  And public key 
> crypto is NOT hard. (comments from our distinguished author..?) 
> Jeesh, people expect MI5 level security from 20 year old public 
> protocols.

Be cause it's easier to expect than to search for a remedy.
And like SSL for HTTP it might be used for POP3 or even SMTP too.
It's abount half hour to install it :)

> BTW, Cobain stole that quote.  I'll leave it as an exercise for the 
> reader to figure out from who.

In fact i don't give a *tear* about who said that first.
Bilions of ppl everyday say "Hi and Hello" but i'm still saying that 
too... who said that first ? Adam ? ;)

"Peace, Love, Empathy"
        - Kurt Cobain (too)


Hookahey!

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