At 16:06 22-8-2001, you wrote:
>Thus spake Bill Arlofski ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> > >>Do you have any idea to configure qmail with Interscan VirusWall ?
> > >>
> > > Don't.
> > > Antiviruses don't work and create a false sense of security.
> > Our users will click anything that even remotely looks like an icon, and
> > then when is doesn't 'run' or 'open' (ie: because it is a
> > virus/trojan/worm) they are even ignorant enough to call desktop support
> > for help.
>
>Dumb users need training, not an antivirus.
Of course they need training, but thats still NO reason not to use
antivirus software, again, a dumb anology: you say not to wear a
bulletproof vest cause the people with the guns need to be trained not to
shoot you.
>If you are too cheap to school your people, put in their contracts that
>the expenses for clean-up, network bandwidth, warning remote sites and
>their clean-up fees will be deducted from their salary, three-fold.
>
>Or, even more drastic, make spreading viruses a reason for immediate
>termination of their job.
Sure, meet the first sysadmin who is also the boss, all you can do is
recommend that to the suits, they decide, not you, even tho I agree with
you on this one, dumb users who click every icon cause 'it looks funny'
should pay for their stupidity.
>Then offer free training and put it on the tab of the first employee who
>spreads a virus, double if he did not attend the free training course.
>
> > Without antivirus protection on the workstations our desktop support
> > people would be running around all day removing viruses.
>
>What business have your users on the Internet if they have this little
>knowledge? Maybe you should hire a babysitting service?
Sure, it would be ideal if all end users knew how to use their computer,
sadly, most of them do not, and a babysitter isn't going to help, cause
gee, they don't know how to use computers either.
> > Without antivirus on our inbound email server, we'd have allowed
> > literally hundreds of email messages with the sircam virus into our
> > network in just the last few weeks alone.
>
>Who cares? I got dozens of copies and none of them caused any damage.
>It's the job of the administrator to make sure the working environment
>is immune to outside damage, and to the extent possible to inside damage
>as well.
Exactly, its the job of the admin to make sure the working env. is secure,
but it also has to remain workable, some people need to receive things by
email and use them, of course they should receive extra training, but why
not do everyone a favor and stop the virus from entering your user network
in the first place? Does anyone enjoy deleting loads of emails all the
time, just cause the admin was too lazy to install anti virus software on
the mail server? As much as I agree with you that the workstations should
be secure enough that the virusses simply don't get a chance, I don't see
why stopping a big part of the threat on the mailserver is a bad thing. I
assume you use antivirus software on the workstations? So why not on the
mail server? Does it harm anyone to not receive the load of virus emails?
Does it harm anyone if your mail server bounces infected mail right back to
the sender, telling them they're infected and should clean up their stuff?
Really, I don't see the problem, then again, maybe you just like being a
BOFH and hate users, who knows. I guess threatening people is easier than
actually helping them. Must be great to work at your company!
>If Sircam could do damage to your users, you did not do your job.
And why not make your job a bit easier by filtering virusses?
Jurian
>Felix
