On Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 02:36:57PM +0200, Jurian van der Knaap wrote:

> >Antiviruses don't work and create a false sense of security.
> 
> That's nonsense really, of course antivirus software wont stop everything, 
> but if you keep it up to date, it WILL stop quite a few emails from those 

Felix is right.
As this mailing list (or, to name another popular example, the
openssl mailing list) proved a number of times the damage to me
done by bad antivirus systems is quite large. They costed band-
width (i pay for it), hard disk space and _time_. They costed
the time needed to answer legitimate requests ...
And _no_ damage was done by any virus, until now. 

I don't care how others protect themselves. Protect? "Hey boss,
i need 20 hours of vacation once and now, and X hours of vacation 
per week, so please let me install an virus scanner". "Oh, SirCam
came through it, bad luck, update was scheduled twelve hours
later".
I just want protection from stupid idiots and people wasting my
time. People running virus scanners which are not absolutely 
invisible to the outside _are_ vasting my time. And people
who have virus problem _today_ are idiots. Everybody with the 
smallest possible amount of brain could have understood, by now
(it's 2001!), that they are supposed to sue the makers of
bad software.

> lovely M$ outlook users that are too often loaded with virusses. As for 

Kill outlook. It's garbage - as proven by it's history of security
problems. You want security? Ask them to use mutt.


> your comment on a false sense of security, that's like saying, don't bother 
> wearing a bulletproof vest, it just creates a false sense of security. Like 
> saying, don't lock your door, it just creates a false sense of security. Of 
> course it doesn't help against everything, just like antivirus won't catch 
> every virus. Nothing is perfect!

Aha. That's your excuse for using something 100% away from perfection.
I see. 

Regards, Uwe

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