Paul Theodoropoulos writes:

> let me boil all this down, since this is becoming a pointless thrash.
> 
> you made the following statement:
> And if it weren't for DJB's stubbornness, its usage might actually
> be growing instead of steadily declining.
> you've provided no evidence to support that statement.

And you implied I was wrong yet you provided NO evidence to support your
statement.  And when I called you on it, you responded by repeating your
claim that I was wrong and had provided no evident.  Yet I actually
gave evidence for my claim.  Firstly, mirror traffic is declining.
Secondly, qmail is at the bottom of recommendations which ARE followed
by newbies.

Oh, I forgot.  Somebody looking for a replacement *nix MTA will go out
looking for recommendations and choose the MTA at the BOTTOM of the list
with the fewest features and the most criticism.  People do it all the
time.  What car shall I buy?  Well, there's an ancient second-hand 
Ford Pinto for sale, and I see that incredibly bad design means that if
the Pinto gets rear-ended then the gas tank ruptures and you go up in a 
fireball.  MUST HAVE!!!  It happens all the time: people research
competing products and choose the one that everyone says is the worst...

> either support the statement with evidence, or withdraw the claim. simple.

I think so too.  Support YOUR implication that I am wrong with evidence, or
withdraw it.
 
> again, i'm not particularly trying to badger you. but the fact is, you are 
> speculating that usage of qmail is declining. you have a hunch. you have a 
> gut feeling. you think so. you believe so.

You are speculating that it is not declining, but have provided NOTHING to
support your speculation.  Nothing at all.  You have a hunch...

> and again, since i've made NO claim either way - reread the thread - 
> nowhere have i said "usage of qmail is increasing" or "usage of qmail is 
> declining" - , there's nothing for me to support, or to provide evidence 
> for. you made the claim. back it up, or withdraw it.

Ah, we get to what the meaning of "is" is.  You are increasingly shrill
in demanding that I withdraw my claim.  Therefore you believe the claim
to be false.  It is that simple.  You do not say "you may be right but
I think you don't have enough proof to be certain" or "I think you may
be wrong" but "withdraw your claim or I'll scream and scream until I'm
sick."  There is no doubt that you wish people to believe qmail usage is 
increasing and are unwilling to entertain the possibility that it is 
declining.
 
> hopefully there will be at least one more response in the thread

You get your wish.  In part, anyway.

-- 
Paul Allen
Softflare Support

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