From my read of this thread there appear to be two seperate problems.
Your diagnosis of Jake Vickers' note about a "similar message... that is a little more descriptive" - the endpoint advertising TLS but not having a certificate - makes sense.
The "554 qq permanent problem", although triggered from a similar mailing list bounce scenario, appears to me to be a wholly separate issue. While there are a handful of local, receiving-side configuration problems that could manifest as 'qq permanent problem', my best guess is that in this case the error is coming from qmail-dk being overly picky about headers.
As I mentioned in the "ezmlm warning" thread, qmail-dk ought to either not drop messages with headers it thinks are malformed, or it ought to be a lot more verbose.
I don't think that modifying one's DKVERIFY, as roughly documented, can be used to work around this problem. You either have to patch qmail-dk, or you have to turn off DKVERIFY completely.
Abe
On 9/12/06, Erik Espinoza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I got your e-mail.
Read the rest of the thread. I didn't have a full dump of the error.
Now that I have it, I tracked it down and replied.
Erik
On 9/12/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If your mail server is refusing messages that are forwarded to you by a
> mailing list server, how is it not a problem with your server?
>
> Since I added the patch mentioned in this qmail thread re: qmail-dk --
> http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=qmail&m=115708466507369&w=2
> -- I haven't had a single odd "probe" or "sorry I've given up" bounce from
> mailing list servers that service the high-volume lists that I subscribed
> to.
>
> (The problem is most prevalent from mailing list senders who are using yahoo
> and gmail -- two domains that sign their messages with domainkeys)
>
> Someone who is using an older version of qmailtoaster or that doesn't
> doaminkey sign their outgoing messages may want to forward this note to Erik
> -- I'm using gmail w/domainkeys!
>
>
> On 9/12/06, Erik Espinoza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> Either way, that error was for a remote user. IE not a problem with
> your servers.
>
> What probably happened is someone subscribed to this mailing list and
> was later deleted from the domain. Since they never unsubscribed, you
> get a bounce from their mail server every time a mail is sent to the
> mailing list. I believe ezmlm should be able to automatically remove
> this stuff, but its hard to say.
>
> I am not seeing these bounces on my Gmail, so I can't say for sure.
> I'd need to look at the error. If someone could send me an
> unsanitized/full header e-mail of the bounce I can troubleshoot
> properly.
>
> Thanks,
> Erik
>
> On 9/12/06, Jean-Paul van de Plasse < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Eh no..
> > That was just a typo when he removed the email address..
> > The email was send from this mailing list, and normally it does arrive,
> just
> > sometimes we get these alerts from ezmlm..
> >
> > Jean-Paul
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Erik Espinoza" < [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: < [email protected]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 11:22 PM
> > Subject: Re: [qmailtoaster] 554 qq permanent problem
> >
> >
> > >> < [EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > >> 69.xxx.xxx.xxx failed after I sent the message.
> > >> Remote host said: 554 qq permanent problem (#5.3.0)
> > >
> > > The e-mail address is wrong. It has a space, it should be
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> not < [EMAIL PROTECTED] >. Try sending it properly.
> > >
> > > Erik
> > >
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