So what are you proposing Justice? Please help me understand. You
wanted a soft rejection when spamassassin is down. I am telling you
that a 451 error is a soft error. I am trying to understand what you
believe the correct behavior should be?

If we reject with error 451, the sending smtp server should retry
later. If the sending smtp server generates a bounce, there is nothing
we can do about it.

Erik

On 3/20/07, Justice London <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I understand that it's a soft reject insofar as that is concerned.  The
issue seems to come in when something has happened to spamassassin, be
it that it crashed, doesn't have room for connections at the time, etc.
At that point the 451 error basically becomes a show-stopper.  The
clients could care less what is happening on the server level, all they
care is that they see an error-message.  While I would guess it might be
possible to setup a rule so that SMTP authenticated clients will not be
processed by simscan, that still wouldn't change the fact that behind
the scenes spamassassin has broken in such a way that it seems things
can't be worked around.  Maybe I'm incorrect in my diagnosis, etc.

Justice London
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 On Tue, 2007-03-20 at 14:59 -0700, Erik A. Espinoza wrote:
> ping!
>
> On 3/20/07, Erik A. Espinoza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > The error 451 is a soft reject.
> >
> > There are two types of rejects in smtp, 4xx are temporary rejections
> > and should be retried and 5xx are permanent rejections.
> >
> > Not sure what else you are looking for.
> >
> > Erik
> >
> > On 3/20/07, Justice London <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Is there a way to get simscan/spamassassin to do a soft reject of
> > > messages, say under high load situations where spamassassin isn't
> > > responding properly?  I have found that when spamassassin either can't
> > > accept a new connection, for whatever reason, that the client is passed
> > > a 451 error right away.  Is there a way to instead just have simscan
> > > fail the spamassassin test and just pass the message un-checked?
> > >
> > > Justice London
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >
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