Pardon me for butting in. I am far from a QMT expert, but I am a Mac
enthusiast and also a realist.
Instead of simply assuming that the newest iteration of Apple's Mail
client is at fault - or not - let's actually constructively try to
determine wherein the problem does lie. I am afraid I myself do not
yet have access to a Leopard installation, so I cannot perform these
steps. But my suggestion would be:
1) Attempt each of the functions that have yielded reproduceable
problems thus far, Harry.
2) At each attempt, then check the log files generated by Courier-
IMAP to see if you can find associated errors on that end.
3) If possible (not sure if you have a Mac developer's kit handy),
seek out the log files being generated by Mail on the local machine,
to see if you can find the recorded error messages when Mail makes
these attempts.
If we can gather the error messages, we may be able to determine, at
the least, what the miscommunication is between Mail and Courier-
IMAP. It would seem clear that Mail is sending commands to the IMAP
server. And that these commands are not being understood by QMT's
Courier-IMAP server. Let's find out what is being sent and make sure
that it is in fact correct. If it is in fact correct, then it can be
presented as an error to those maintaining Courier-IMAP for
resolution. If it is not, but the other systems you have tested
against are managing to account for its imperfect structure, then at
least you have something to then present to Apple so that they can
make the attempt to track down and fix the problem on their end.
Apple may be standards-compliant nearly to a fault, but they are not
infallible. Let us approach the situation calmly, rationally, and
methodically.
Roxanne
On Nov 4, 2007, at 1:19 PM, Harry Zink wrote:
It's not a bug, as it works just fine with the Postfix server (i.e.
Dovecot). It (Apple's Mail Client) also works fine with Apple's dot-
Mac and OS X Mail Server(obviously), but also Google's IMAP
services, Yahoo's IMAP services, and others. This hardly qualifies
as a unique bug on Apple's end (particularly since their apps are
standards compliant to a fault, almost).
I really do feel that this kind of dismissive attitude of things
related to Apple and Mac OS X is what stands in the way of pro-
active, and positive development, sadly.
Harry
On Nov 4, 2007, at 6:21 AM, Warren Melnick wrote:
My feeling is that you are right, it should be looked into,
although this is the wrong forum to post bugs in the Leopard mail
client.
W
On 11/3/07, Harry Zink <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:No, of course
not, which is why I carefully worded my subject line.
I've used it under Tiger and its Mail Client (Mail.app v2.0) since
Day
One, and never had an issue.
This issue only surfaced, and was reported in multiple places, since
the release of Leopard 10.5 and the associated Mail Client (Mail.app
v3.0).
Harry
On Nov 3, 2007 9:02 PM, dnk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> did you notice this issue with older versions of the apple mail
client?
>
> Dustin
>
>
> On 11/3/07, Harry Zink <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Seems there's a problem between QT and Apple's Leopard Mail
client, or
> > rather he problem is between the utilized Courier-IMAP version in
> > QmailToaster, and Apple's Mail client.
> >
> > Users will find themselves unable to delete files and folder
under
> > certain circumstances. I was able to replicate this. Current
> > work-arounds don't always work, and are usually on the mail-
client end
> > - hence, not really acceptable as genuine fixes.
> >
> > I also tested this with a separate installation on a Postfix
server,
> > running Cirrus-IMAP, and everything works as it should (no
surprise,
> > since Apple's OS X Server also uses Cirrus). While there may
be some
> > work-arounds in the short term, personally I see a better long-
term
> > solution to be to replace Courier-IMAP with the Cirrus solution -
> > aside from fixing this issue, it also has a smaller footprint,
and
> > much better efficiency (i.e. less load on a server with a
larger n
> > umber of users).
> >
> > Not sure if this has already shown up on any radar, but wanted to
> > share a general head's up, and hoping that a solution may be
> > forthcoming.
> >
> > Harry
> >
> >
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