[qmailtoaster] Re: SpamAssassin not being invoked by SimContro

Wed, 12 Jan 2011 12:09:54 -0800

I've been using the tcp.smtp file in lieu of spamdyke's access file. I don't think the access file is useful in QMT, since qmail has the SMTP AUTH patch. I'm not certain of this though, and would like to know Sam's take on this. I think taking this to the spamdyke list is a good idea.
It appears to me from the documentation that spamdyke's access-file should be formatted like: 
69.224.211.10:ACCESS
not just the IP address. I wonder if this is causing the problem. If there is no ":" in that file, I would expect spamdyke to throw an error or warning of some kind though. Have you run spamdyke in test mode to check for errors? See the qtp-install-spamdyke script for how to do this. 

--
-Eric 'shubes'

On 01/12/2011 12:08 PM, Michael Colvin wrote:

OK...  So, I pulled spamdyke out of the picture, and what do you know,
suddenly the simscan line shows what we'd expect:

Received: by simscan 1.4.0 ppid: 23321, pid: 23323, t: 0.2519s
          scanners: attach: 1.4.0 clamav: 0.96.3/m:53/d:12510 spam: 3.2.5
X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on
mail.norcalisp.com
X-Spam-Level: ***
X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.5 required=5.0 tests=DK_SIGNED,FH_DATE_PAST_20XX,
        HTML_MESSAGE,RDNS_NONE autolearn=no version=3.2.5

So...  I've got something in SpamDyke that's likely setting RELAYCLIENT.

I'm pretty certain it's not whitelist_ip, since I pulled the internal range
out.  I also pulled it out of the "relay" file that access-file in the
spamdyke.conf file points too.

Here's my spamdyke.conf

log-level=info
access-file=/var/qmail/control/relay
local-domains-file=/var/qmail/control/rcpthosts
max-recipients=20
idle-timeout-secs=180
greeting-delay-secs=0
graylist-level=always
graylist-dir=/var/spamdyke/graylist
graylist-min-secs=300
graylist-max-secs=1814400
#policy-url=http://www.norcalisp.com/nospam?reason=
sender-blacklist-file=/etc/spamdyke/blacklist_senders
sender-whitelist-file=/etc/spamdyke/whitelist_senders
ip-whitelist-file=/etc/spamdyke/whitelist_ip
rdns-whitelist-file=/etc/spamdyke/whitelist_rdns
reject-missing-sender-mx
reject-ip-in-cc-rdns
ip-blacklist-file=/etc/spamdyke/blacklist_ip
recipient-blacklist-file=/etc/spamdyke/blacklist_recipients
#ip-in-rdns-keyword-blacklist-file=/etc/spamdyke/blacklist_keywords
#rdns-blacklist-dir=/etc/spamdyke/blacklist_rdns.d
reject-empty-rdns
#reject-unresolvable-rdns
dns-blacklist-entry=zen.spamhaus.org
dns-blacklist-entry=b.barracudacentral.org
dns-blacklist-entry=cbl.abuseat.org
dns-blacklist-entry=list.dsbl.org
dns-blacklist-entry=bl.spamcop.net
dns-blacklist-entry=bogons.cymru.com
#
tls-certificate-file=/var/qmail/control/servercert.pem
tls-level=smtp

Here's the whitelist_ip file:

127.0.0.1
69.224.211.10

All other whitelist_X files are empty.

The "relay" file has:

69.224.211.10

This entry is a specific client I needed to relay...But I don't see how that
would be causing any issues, since the e-mail isn't coming from them.  :-)

I can't find anything else that might be causing spamdyke to set the
RELAYCLIENT flag...

At this point, it looks like this is more SpamDyke related than QMT, so I
should probably move this over there...  Unless you have any parting
thoughts, maybe we can pick this up over there.

Michael J. Colvin
NorCal Internet Services
www.norcalisp.com





-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Colvin [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 9:59 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [qmailtoaster] Re: SpamAssassin not being invoked by
SimContro

Agreed (With the authenticating hosting servers part).  This was a quick
(And I thought ok) way of getting these toasters up...  I'm obviously
going
to have to go back through and tweak some stuff.

I'll pull spamdyke down, test again, and let you know.  I'm going to re-
read
the link you included to the Relaying portion of SpamDykes config first,
to
see if I have a "Duh" moment.

I'll keep you posted!

Thanks again.


Michael J. Colvin
NorCal Internet Services
www.norcalisp.com





-----Original Message-----
From: Eric Shubert [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 9:53 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [qmailtoaster] Re: SpamAssassin not being invoked by SimContro

I think I understand. I did notice the QMR server further down the line
and wondered a little about it.

I'd remove spamdyke temporarily at this point and test. Then you'll know
for sure if spamdyke setting RELAYCLIENT is the cause or not.

P.S. I realize that web hosting servers are a pita, but configuring them
to authenticate is a good practice imo. Then you don't need any open
relaying.
--
-Eric 'shubes'

On 01/12/2011 10:35 AM, Michael Colvin wrote:

Ummm...  Mainly I think it was laziness so that the web hosting

servers

could send via these servers.  (Instead of listing just the specific
internal IP's, since I add servers occasionally...)

I think there was another reason involving how my outbound mail is

working,

but now that I'm trying to explain it in an e-mail, I'm not sure

*that*

reason is valid, so I'll need to think about that one.  :-)

The particular servers we're looking at hear, handle inbound e-mail
filtering only, then forward the mail to another cluster that's

customer

facing.

So... Ok, now I need to figure out where it's getting that from,

because,

I'm not sure you saw the other message, but I removed the internal

network

from the whitelisting, and still nothing.

And, now that I think about it, the e-mail isn't coming from an

internal

IP

at the point we're looking at...  The server has an internal IP, but

it

is

the first server to handle the e-mail, so it's not getting it from

another

server with an internal IP.  It has an internal IP because it's behind

a

load balancer.

I think what we're seeing, and what CJ was seeing (BTW, thanks CJ,

your

comment is what got me looking in this direction) was the *second*

cluster,

which is getting the e-mail from the first cluster via internal

IP's...I'm

not concerned with that server not scanning w/spamassassin, since it

should

be scanned with the first cluster.  :-)  Besides, that second cluster

is

an

older QMR server that I want to pull out, once I get it replaced with

QMT

servers...

Here's the header from your e-mail.  Notice the first few lines, with

one

containing "qmail-scanner".  Obviously, this isn't a Toaster.  Further

down,

we see the Toaster's headers, which is still the area we were looking

at

with the simscan entries.

(Continued after header!)

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   Clear:RC:1(192.168.100.121):.
   Processed in 0.058344 secs); 12 Jan 2011 17:04:54 -0000
X-Antivirus-NorCalISP-Mail-From:
qmailtoaster-list-return-9149-mcolvin=norcalisp....@qmailtoaster.com

via

mail.norcalisp.com
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Processed

in 0.058344 secs Process 10085)
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Subject: [qmailtoaster] Re: SpamAssassin not being invoked by

SimContro



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So... I've checked my Spamdyke config, and don't see anything that

would

cause it to pass RELAYCLIENT...  No whitelisted e-mails, domains, and

I

removed the IP's (Or narrowed them down to just the servers).  Same
result...

But I think we might be on the right track...


Michael J. Colvin
NorCal Internet Services
www.norcalisp.com





-----Original Message-----
From: Eric Shubert [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 9:03 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [qmailtoaster] Re: SpamAssassin not being invoked by

SimContro


Bingo! That's it all right. Nice bit of sleuthing, Michael.

My apologies to CJ as he was on the right track. I missed the bit

about

your local lan addresses being whitelisted though.

Spamdyke's documentation at
http://www.spamdyke.org/documentation/README.html#RELAYING says:
"Authenticated and whitelisted connections will be allowed to relay."

So my question now is, why do you have your LAN whitelisted?

--
-Eric 'shubes'

On 01/11/2011 07:37 PM, Michael Colvin wrote:

Eric..  Check this thread out...  I think this may be pointing me in

the

right direction...

http://osdir.com/ml/mail.qmail.simscan/2007-12/msg00029.html

The 2nd paragraph...  "Because relay client is set, simscan doesn’t

run

the

message through SpamAssassin (Since it's supposedly from a trusted

source).


Could spamdyke be passing a value for "RELAYCLIENT"?  I've got the
192.168.100.0/24 (The private network my mail cluster is on)

"Whitelisted"

in spamdyke...

Any place else that might be passing RELAYCLIENT?  It's not in my

tcp.smtp

file.



Michael J. Colvin
NorCal Internet Services
www.norcalisp.com





-----Original Message-----
From: Eric Shubert [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 11:06 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [qmailtoaster] Re: SpamAssassin not being invoked by

SimContro


I'm at a loss Michael. I think I'd look closer into spamassassin at

this

point. Can you invoke SA 'manually'?

On 01/11/2011 11:13 AM, Michael Colvin wrote:

Here you go Eric.  Both servers had identical outputs, other than

one

being

installed the day after this one.  :-)

Name        : simscan-toaster              Relocations: (not

relocatable)

Version     : 1.4.0                             Vendor: (none)
Release     : 1.3.8                         Build Date: Fri 29 Oct

2010

02:28:37 AM PDT
Install Date: Fri 29 Oct 2010 02:30:25 AM PDT      Build Host:
mail-1.norcalisp.com
Group       : Networking/Other              Source RPM:
simscan-toaster-1.4.0-1.3.8.src.rpm
Size        : 113364                           License: GPL
Signature   : (none)
Packager    : Jake Vickers<[email protected]>
URL         : http://www.inter7.com/vpopmail
Summary     : Simscan for qmail-toaster
Description :

SimScan is a simplified scanner for qmail similar to qmail-scanner

and

qscand.
It uses clamav, trophie, and/or spamassassin.  It also supports

attachment

blocking by extension.  Simscan is written entirely in C to ensure

maximum

speed.  There are several options to allow simscan to scan per

domain,

and

reject spam mail.


                    Current settings
         ---------------------------------------
         user                  = clamav
         qmail directory       = /var/qmail
         work directory        = /var/qmail/simscan
         control directory     = /var/qmail/control
         qmail queue program   = /var/qmail/bin/qmail-queue
         clamdscan program     = /usr/bin/clamdscan
         clamav scan           = ON
         trophie scanning      = OFF
         attachement scan      = ON
         ripmime program       = /usr/bin/ripmime
         custom smtp reject    = ON
         drop message          = OFF
         regex scanner         = OFF
         quarantine processing = OFF
         domain based checking = ON
         add received header   = ON
         spam scanning         = ON
         spamc program         = /usr/bin/spamc
         spamc arguments       =
         spamc user            = OFF
         authenticated users scanned = OFF
         spam passthru         = OFF
         spam hits             = 40

                    Current simcontrol config
         ----------------------------------------------------------
         :clam=yes,spam=yes,spam_hits=12,attach=.mp3:.src:.bat:.pif


Michael J. Colvin
NorCal Internet Services
www.norcalisp.com




-----Original Message-----
From: Eric Shubert [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 8:36 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [qmailtoaster] Re: SpamAssassin not being invoked by

SimContro


I don't think so, Cecil. I have QMT hosts behind NAT routers, and

SA

still scans. Authenticated submissions aren't scanned though.

Michael, can you post your
# rpm -qi simscan-toaster
(just double checking)

--
-Eric 'shubes'

On 01/11/2011 09:10 AM, Cecil Yother, Jr wrote:

Isn't there something about LAN addresses not being scanned?

Quoting "Michael J. Colvin"<[email protected]>:


OK. Tcp.smtp now looks like:











:allow,BADMIMETYPE="",SENDER_NOCHECK="1",BADLOADERTYPE="M",QMAILQUEUE="/va

r/


qmail/bin/simscan",NOP0FCHECK="1"

Header information is still the same:

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0800

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from

<[email protected]>, uid 1008) with qmail-scanner-1.25-

st-

qms

(clamdscan: 0.91.2/1082. spamassassin: 3.2.0. perlscan: 1.25-

st-

qms.

Clear:RC:1(192.168.100.122):.
Processed in 0.066093 secs); 11 Jan 2011 12:41:02 -0000
X-Antivirus-NorCalISP-Mail-From: [email protected] via
mail.norcalisp.com
X-Antivirus-NorCalISP: 1.25-st-qms

(Clear:RC:1(192.168.100.122):.

Processed
in 0.066093 secs Process 28558)
Received: from unknown (HELO mail.norcalisp.com)

(192.168.100.122)

by mail.norcalisp.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2011 04:41:02 -0800
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No change on the "simscan" line... I still don't see anything

in

qmlog

spamd, other than the "Startup" stuff that was there from my

last

post...

In fact, there's nothing but what I posted last time, since the

server

hasn't restarted... There's been no log entries in spamd since
1/9/2011...

SpamAssassin is "On" in the default QMT, right? I mean, it's

obviously

installed on the system, and SimScan is running... It just

seems

like

something is missing, and it's on both servers... I know this

is

going

to

end in one of those "Duh!" moments... :-)

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Eric Shubert [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 8:39 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [qmailtoaster] Re: SpamAssassin not being invoked by

SimContro


On 01/09/2011 09:17 PM, Michael J. Colvin wrote:



Have you run
# qmailctl cdb
recently?


Several times, and even rebooted the whole server (Both of

them)

to

make

sure the new cdb files were loaded. The cdb file's date stamp

is

being

updated when I run qmailctl cdb.

Again, what I think is the strangest part is, this is

happening

on

two

totally separate machines, both with basically "Stock" ISO

installs

on

them... If it was happening to just one, I'd lean towards a

config

error...

But with two of them, it's either something I did too both of

them

(Possible, of course) or something else... And, like I said, I

haven't

changed much from the stock install... Just the rcpthosts,

smtproutes,

tcp.smtp (As posted) and I think that's about it..

(Shrug)...

Mike



Here's my tcp.smtp entry:










:allow,BADMIMETYPE="",BADLOADERTYPE="M",CHKUSER_RCPTLIMIT="50",CHKUSER_WRO

NG












RCPTLIMIT="10",QMAILQUEUE="/var/qmail/bin/simscan",DKSIGN="/var/qmail/cont

ro


l/domainkeys/%/private",NOP0FCHECK="1"

You appear to be missing NOP0FCHECK="1" in your configuration.

IIRC,

you

really need that. I don't recall what happens w/out it, but I'd

put

it

in and see if that fixes things.

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