The solution might be to either patch dovecot with our own QMT patch at compile time to avoid the clear text password altogether during authentication,

Or compile vpopmail clear text password field disabled,

Or, Another solution would be for users to clear all clear text password fields from the vpopmail database before migration,

Or as Tony brought up changing the size of the clear password field to 40 chars.

Any opinions?


On 10/2/2018 11:21 PM, Eric Broch wrote:
Dovecot will authenticate against the clear text password if it is present.

Upon updating the clear text password (encrypted 17 characters) to 'null', I authenticated using Dovecot against the 17 character password.

Here's the command I used to set the clear text password to null: mysql> update mydomain_tld set pw_clear_passwd='' where pw_name ='user';

Then Dovecot authenticated fine against the 17 character password...now encrypted to 40 chars.


On 10/2/2018 11:09 PM, Andrew Swartz wrote:
On further review, your debug output looks pretty definitive for Dovecot
directly accessing the database.  Given that the hash cannot be
reversed, the only way to get the cleartext password is direct database
access.

This seems a pretty substantial problem, as it means that the hash and
cleartext will be discordant for passwords >16 characters. But nothing
stops users from choosing such passwords.

Or alternately, could be an interesting bug to capitalize on. It allows
creation of relay-only passwords.  I could use this for accounts which
only send mail but which should never check it (like my UPS or system
monitoring scripts).  From one perspective, this could be a security
advantage.  But forcing real users to use small passwords is probably a
much bigger disadvantage.

-Andy


On 10/2/2018 8:47 PM, Eric Broch wrote:
And when debugging authentication with Dovecot, I get...

CLEARTEXT(password entered in webmail) != 'password in the database'

 From dovecot.log the actual output:

Oct 02 22:05:45 auth-worker(19953): Debug:
vpopmail(someu...@domain.tld,127.0.0.1,<dVsPJ0t3GIl/AAAB>):
CLEARTEXT(xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) != 'xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Oct 02 22:05:47 auth: Debug: client passdb out: FAIL    1
user=someu...@domain.tld




On 10/2/2018 10:25 PM, Eric Broch wrote:
So, I think Dovecot MAY be authenticating against the plain text
password. I can't be sure until I look at the code or ask on the
Dovecot mailing list.


On 10/2/2018 10:22 PM, Eric Broch wrote:
Okay,

17 character password works with Submission port. Not with IMAP which
is authenticated through Dovecot.

Eric


On 10/2/2018 9:21 PM, Andrew Swartz wrote:
Eric,

Regarding the hash: difficult to answer because of the atypical storage
method (in the database).  It looks like two items (username and
password???), each stored in an atypical base64 (using "." instead of
"+" for the 64th character) and each prefixed with a "$" and then
concatenated. Unfortunately, this makes it difficult to know what the
hash "should" be.  Each of these could also be salted. Browsing the
vpopmail source code would likely clear this up. Unsure when I'll have
time for that.

I was testing passwords using Squirrelmail, which goes through IMAP,
which means that Dovecot does the authentication (I believe). It is
possible that dovecot (Centos7) is authenticating differently than did
courier-IMAP (Centos5).  There are two places in
/etc/dovecot/toaster.conf which specify "driver = vpopmail". I have no
idea what the detailed implications of that setting are.

It would be interesting to see if the 16 or 17 character passwords work
for qmail-smtp.  Could try to telnet to port 25 and see if qmail
accepts
the 16 or 17 character password for relay.  If qmail takes the 17
character password and not the 16, it would indicate a different
authentication method than via IMAP.  This would mean that the database
is not the problem.

Unfortunately, and not somewhere that allows me to try this right now.

-Andy



On 10/2/2018 6:47 PM, Eric Broch wrote:
Okay,

Set user's password to 17 x's, eg: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

I could not log in with 17x password but I could with 16x password.

Not sure what this means, I'm open to enlightenment. Could it be
the hash?



On 10/2/2018 8:41 PM, Eric Broch wrote:
Will do.


On 10/2/2018 8:40 PM, Andrew Swartz wrote:
Eric,

Before I do that, can you see if you can replicate the problem: On
Centos7, create an account with a long password and see if you
can then
log in with the long password.  If that fails, then try with the
first
16 characters of that password.

-Andy


On 10/2/2018 6:28 PM, Eric Broch wrote:
Andrew,


On 10/2/2018 7:34 PM, Andrew Swartz wrote:
1.  vpopmail (or something else) is NOW authenticating against the
cleartext password instead of the hash.
I don't think so, or I hope not. I've done nothing except compile
vpopmail on CentOS 7 back in 2015 no patches.
The only change, if I remember correctly, is MariaDB requirements
rather
the MySQL.
2.  vpopmail (or something else) is NOW truncating the password
at 16
characters when it is set (i.e. hashed), but not during subsequent
authentication.
I hope it's something else.
3.  mysql was storing something in the cleartext password field
which it
did not export.  This seems unlikely, as I can see 16 characters
and the
field type is "char(16)".  I went through the database export
file,
and
its contents appear the same as those of the running mysql
database on
Centos5, which is the same as the running mariadb database on
Centos7 (I
view the contents with WebMin).  Therefore it appears that the
backup/restore worked properly.
Maybe something worth my time: Bring up two qmail (w/vpopmail)
VM's on
COS5 and COS7.
Next, Create a domain and user entry on COS5 with >16 length
password.
Dump the vpopmail db on COS5 (vpopmail-cos5db), and import it on
COS7.
Dump the vpopmail db on COS7 (vpopmail-cos7db), and compare
(diff) the
two dumps.
If they're the same it could possibly be an issue with the vpopmail
program.

If you were up to it, you could also create a database called
vpopmail1
on your COS7 machine,
and import the COS5 vpopmail db into it (that way it doesn't
mess with
your regular vpopmail db), and
dump it and compare the two (COS5/COS7) dumps.
Does anyone know the details of how vpopmail interacts with the
database
server?  Or if any authentication is done by some means other than
through vpopmail?
Interaction with db by vpopmail is done at compile time.



--
Eric Broch
White Horse Technical Consulting (WHTC)


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