17 character password works with Submission port. Not with IMAP which is authenticated through Dovecot.


On 10/2/2018 9:21 PM, Andrew Swartz wrote:

Regarding the hash: difficult to answer because of the atypical storage
method (in the database).  It looks like two items (username and
password???), each stored in an atypical base64 (using "." instead of
"+" for the 64th character) and each prefixed with a "$" and then
concatenated. Unfortunately, this makes it difficult to know what the
hash "should" be.  Each of these could also be salted.  Browsing the
vpopmail source code would likely clear this up. Unsure when I'll have
time for that.

I was testing passwords using Squirrelmail, which goes through IMAP,
which means that Dovecot does the authentication (I believe).  It is
possible that dovecot (Centos7) is authenticating differently than did
courier-IMAP (Centos5).  There are two places in
/etc/dovecot/toaster.conf which specify "driver = vpopmail".  I have no
idea what the detailed implications of that setting are.

It would be interesting to see if the 16 or 17 character passwords work
for qmail-smtp.  Could try to telnet to port 25 and see if qmail accepts
the 16 or 17 character password for relay.  If qmail takes the 17
character password and not the 16, it would indicate a different
authentication method than via IMAP.  This would mean that the database
is not the problem.

Unfortunately, and not somewhere that allows me to try this right now.


On 10/2/2018 6:47 PM, Eric Broch wrote:

Set user's password to 17 x's, eg: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

I could not log in with 17x password but I could with 16x password.

Not sure what this means, I'm open to enlightenment. Could it be the hash?

On 10/2/2018 8:41 PM, Eric Broch wrote:
Will do.

On 10/2/2018 8:40 PM, Andrew Swartz wrote:

Before I do that, can you see if you can replicate the problem: On
Centos7, create an account with a long password and see if you can then
log in with the long password.  If that fails, then try with the first
16 characters of that password.


On 10/2/2018 6:28 PM, Eric Broch wrote:

On 10/2/2018 7:34 PM, Andrew Swartz wrote:
1.  vpopmail (or something else) is NOW authenticating against the
cleartext password instead of the hash.
I don't think so, or I hope not. I've done nothing except compile
vpopmail on CentOS 7 back in 2015 no patches.
The only change, if I remember correctly, is MariaDB requirements
the MySQL.
2.  vpopmail (or something else) is NOW truncating the password at 16
characters when it is set (i.e. hashed), but not during subsequent
I hope it's something else.
3.  mysql was storing something in the cleartext password field
which it
did not export.  This seems unlikely, as I can see 16 characters
and the
field type is "char(16)".  I went through the database export file,
its contents appear the same as those of the running mysql database on
Centos5, which is the same as the running mariadb database on
Centos7 (I
view the contents with WebMin).  Therefore it appears that the
backup/restore worked properly.
Maybe something worth my time: Bring up two qmail (w/vpopmail) VM's on
COS5 and COS7.
Next, Create a domain and user entry on COS5 with >16 length password.
Dump the vpopmail db on COS5 (vpopmail-cos5db), and import it on COS7.
Dump the vpopmail db on COS7 (vpopmail-cos7db), and compare (diff) the
two dumps.
If they're the same it could possibly be an issue with the vpopmail

If you were up to it, you could also create a database called vpopmail1
on your COS7 machine,
and import the COS5 vpopmail db into it (that way it doesn't mess with
your regular vpopmail db), and
dump it and compare the two (COS5/COS7) dumps.
Does anyone know the details of how vpopmail interacts with the
server?  Or if any authentication is done by some means other than
through vpopmail?
Interaction with db by vpopmail is done at compile time.

Eric Broch
White Horse Technical Consulting (WHTC)

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