Am 08.09.2008 um 22:26 schrieb Jean-Baptiste BRIAUD - Novlog: > 100% in line with you. > > I would like to be able to use qooXdoo without the toolchain or I will > have to choose on my 3 items short list between SmartClient or > OpenLaszlo for only one reason : toolchain look like mandatory. > > I really feel the power of qooXdoo and I really want to use it but > without the toolchain and I can explain why. > > My first reaction was "I don't want Python". and really and don't want > it at all. > But then, I thought, why not, after all if it is a black box I would > never have to see, why not ... > > After that I understood the problem is not Python but the toolchain > itself. > I really need to use qooXdoo like a framework + widget lib that I > wan't to see like Java/Swing. > No one force me to use Eclipse as a toolchain or netbean or IntelliJ > or the notepad. > Java/Swing is "just" a library. A lot of possible toolchain exists but > I can choose not to use any of them.
You can use it without when you use some type of precompiled package. You do not need to reexecute this five times a day. You can built it once and use the same version for months (like you would do with jquery, etc.) I am still not sure if we mean the same by "toolchain". Tool chain for qooxdoo just means a tool to create a distributable version of the classes. But there are also many other features. All of these feature do not need to be used. All of them are optional. And you can still use every backend you like (tool chain is not backend!). Sebastian > > > So, at the end, I don't care about Python or how that toolchain is > made. Can I yes or not use qooXdoo without toolchain ? > Finally, the question may look like it is asked with some brutality > (yes or not) but this is good because choosing is hard, si if the > qooXdoo community feel that all developper should use toolchain for > qooXdoo it will give me the hard answer I seeking. > > Whatever the result of that answer will be, I'm sure it will help both > existing user and hesitating user to know for sure if yes or not the > toolchain is not just recommended but mandatory. > > On 8 Sep 2008, at 21:34, SaschaK wrote: > >> >> Hi all together, >> >> here comes the 3rd comment regarding python ! >> >> Exactly like Jean-Baptiste, I'm trying to find a UI library soon. >> Also, I don't want to depend on python. First I was delighted about >> qx but >> reading, and not really understanding the thing about python really >> put me >> off. >> >> Maybe that there were only 3 complains up to now because others did >> not even >> start to look at qx after reading about python. I got the >> information about >> Qooxdoo from the german computer magazine "Internet magazin". Maybe >> that >> thousands of other readers stopped by at Qooxdo.org and turned away >> after >> trying to get the "Hello World" example to work, like me and the >> other 2. >> (By the way there were also other frameworks introduced, but I did >> not have >> a look at them because I started with Qooxdoo) >> >> I also thought qx is a library I can just use, and that I had just >> to add >> all files which are to be included and that's it. Would be good to >> list all >> UI components I need and pass it to a tool on your web page. This >> tool >> decides which js files I need to include in which order. >> >> Well, obviously this is not possible. >> >> Please inform me whenever we (us 3 and other developers) can start >> without >> having to install python and whenever we can use qx in the context >> we need >> to use it in. >> >> Thanks in advance >> SaschaK >> >> >> >> >> Sebastian Werner wrote: >>> >>> For real application developers this should not hurd either. There >>> were >>> exactly two comments regarding python (I excluded Mike, which was >>> mainly >>> an answer ;)). The problem is that we may say more boldly that it >>> does >>> not mean that the whole server must run on python. qooxdoo is and >>> was >>> ever backend independent so everybody could choose the favorite >>> there. >>> >>> qooxdoo with the toolchain means tailor-made applications >>> out-of-the-box. I pay this price easily when my result application >>> is >>> only 10% faster (in fact it should be a lot more than that). >>> >>> Sebastian >>> >>> >>> Jean-Baptiste BRIAUD - Novlog schrieb: >>>> Just for information : >>>> http://sixrevisions.com/javascript/promising_javascript_frameworks/ >>>> >>>> According to some comments, having qooXdoo without the Python build >>>> machinery, just as a framework/lib is a real need. >>>> In other words, that Python machinery is a blocking point for some >>>> people to adopt qooXdoo. >>>> >>>> qooXdoo is in 4th position in the list ! 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