duplicate, thought my mailed had trashed my previous send.
Carl Trieloff wrote:
Steve Vinoski wrote:
Not to start a protracted Maven war, but the benefits of Maven are
many. In no particular order:
(I would not classify my last mail as an anti Maven mail)
1. Using it shows us as good Apache community citizens, as many new
projects around here use it.
Ant is also Apache
2. Using the regular Maven directory structure enables new
contributors to easily get up to speed.
3. It easily allows us to manage dependencies, which granted we
currently have few of (though more than I initially thought), but
that number will grow, for example as new persistence solutions are
introduced.
Not for all our stuff today - issues around things like Mina
4. It enables us to easily produce snapshots and releases into the
Apache repository so that other projects can be based on us.
5. It gives us simple set up for Eclipse and IntelliJ workspaces.
6. It gives us code coverage.
Not true, PMD, CheckStyle, etc integrations give us this
7. It gives us the ability to turn on code style checking at build
time, assuming we want that someday (it's definitely got my vote).
Not a maven exclusive
8. We can easily pick up Maven plugins and use them at will, without
having to write Ant targets or import specialized Ant task classes.
9. It makes creating distributions dead easy.
10. It's much faster and more scalable than Ant.
I can come up with more good reasons if you like.
Not to mention that the sooner we move to it, the less work it will
be. If we wait, the code base will grow and just make it that much
harder to move to a new build system and directory structure.
IONA has a number of projects, both open source and company-internal,
using Maven, and it's been working great for all of them. Given my
long history and experience with software configuration management
and build systems, I am generally skeptical of tools like Maven that
come along and make lots of promises. However, my hat is definitely
off to the Maven guys, it's a great system that delivers the goods.
I can point out that I introduced Maven to IONA, so yes I know the
benefits of Maven and I like it a LOT. So Steve I don't see this mail
as a war, just the practicalities of what I have to do to make the
code donation and move the project to Apache. I would like to complete
this
process so that I can know the apache svn is correctly imported and we
can create a baseline build and make sure all is good. If we go
to Maven I want us to discuss the issues, and how we want it set up
and make sure that works for all.
For example, I want to see the impact on the dir structure and look if
we want to make the C++ make structure match for example,want to know
what we are going to do with Mina, etc... I don't think Maven is going
to solve all the issues, and want us to make sure the ones that is
does not we know how we are going to solve them.
Regards
Carl.
More details will be forthcoming as I progress my Maven work for Qpid.
--steve
On Sep 7, 2006, at 5:40 PM, Carl Trieloff wrote:
Would like to park the maven discussion until Steve comes back with
something that we can concretely
discuss. My view is Maven does not help us any at this stage, and
there are better uses of time right
now on the code base, (but that is my view) and I might change it
after Steve comes back with his
research.
Regards
Carl.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Could be wonderful. Maven makes alot of promises. I really like he
IDE file generation. Maven seem popular at Apache.
I did spent a while trying to get Maven 2.0.2 and then 2.0.4
working to build Mina here at JPMC. It just wouldn't work. I
configured my http proxy. It couldn't download the
maven-compiler-plugin I think. At home it worked fine :). I figure
that I was having some kind of firewall issue but the error
messages leave alot to be desired! I ended up building mina-core
with a very short shell script...
Steve.
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