For some reason my posts are getting dropped or delayed. re-send.
Carl Trieloff wrote:
Steve Vinoski wrote:
On Nov 14, 2006, at 12:01 PM, Carl Trieloff wrote:
From informal discussion, IRC, IM etc this morning that I want to
reflect back onto the list some of the informal comments. From
these watercooler discussion it is clear to me that we don't have
anyone with deep maven experience which is creating unease.
A point of order: having these offline discussions is not the way
things are supposed to happen. Reflecting them back to this list does
not make it right. You're having discussions about maven work without
inviting anyone with maven knowledge to the table.
Not true.
and then implicitly forcing decisions based on those discussions back
onto this list.
Not true.
Please keep important issues like this off IRC, IM, and such, and in
this mailing list, so that we can all participate.
... the key is that no business is conducted or decisions are made off
the list. however if I walk into you in a pub or speak to someone in a
cafeteria you can be sure we will talk. For example you and I IM every
now and again, and you can IRC to the asfinfra team....
To this end, I head some concerns from others, and brought this
straight back to the list. I hope that you will do the same. Bringing
items to the list so that we can have an open public list discussion
is the right way to do it (which is what is current happening on the
list on the maven topic), and not to pretend that no-one ever speaks
to anyone else. I wrote a similar mail when I noted your concerns
about trying to get maven done with all the changes in the tests, to
check group consensus to merge the test changes directly on main-line,
and yes you and I IM'ed at bit that morning - the discussion to open a
window for maven was however discussed on the list.
To expect that someone will not IM/IRC someone they know to ask a
question is absurd. The key is what you say above: ---> that no
project decisions are happening off list <--
This is exactly why I wrote the mail I did on the maven topic on the
list,
regards,
Carl.
--steve
P.S. If there actually is an informal Qpid IRC channel, can someone
point me to it? Also, it would be best to put the details on the wiki
if they're not already there.
