Hi all,

I also agree with having a seperate list for users. This is also based on my
experience with other projects I have worked with. The dev and users lists
were different and a seperate users list makes it clean from users point of
view also.

And if there are only few users then also it makes sense to have a seperate
list. If we have that now we can continue with that instead of creating a
list later and asking all subscribed users to subscribe to a different list
later.
And aren't we expecting no of users to grow? we are.

Thanks
Bhupendra


On 11/23/06, Marnie McCormack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

All,

I can see the value in a user list now for the noise advoidance value.

I routinely have more than 50 new messages on the dev list when I login to
my email, and even using googlemail with threading (which not all our
users
will be using) it's quite hard to see the wood for the trees :-)

Marnie


On 11/23/06, Rajith Attapattu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> If we have a substantial user base already then I think there is value
in
> going for a user list.
> I agree and understand the point made by Cliff and Paul about the
> community
> being fragmented.
>
> But I also see agree with roberts comments. I think unlike other
incubator
> projects we do have some users already.
> The user may find it a bit intimidating/confusing when they subscribe to
> the
> dev list.
>
> If users are already using Qpid in production then they may have
> significant
> amount of questions.
> I as a dev and the majority of user swould like to see those questions
on
> a
> seperate list so that we don't create too much distraction for either
> party.
>
> Regards,
>
> Rajith
>
> On 11/22/06, Robert Greig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > On 22/11/06, Cliff Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > For this reason, incubating projects these days are generally
> > > encouraged to keep both user and devs together on one list until the
> > > user-oriented traffic grows to a point that it becomes too noisy and
> > > not useful for all developers to be hearing.
> >
> > I'd turn that round slightly and ask if it's reasonable to make our
> > users wade through all sorts of (to them) noise on the dev list?
> >
> > I certainly think all developers should subscribe to the user list,
> > and interact with the users.
> >
> > I know from helping our internal users of Qpid that many users are
> > looking for help migrating from other products and are working to
> > deadlines. They want to be able to get help and advice quickly and I
> > think asking them to subscribe to a dev list would put them off. It
> > might also confuse them as we discuss features or concepts only
> > applicable to in-development versions as opposed to releases.
> >
> > RG
> >
>
>


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