* On 2003.03.13, in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, * "Greg Earle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Happymail sounds great. > > Any chance of upgrading this patch to the latest Qpopper 4.0.5 release?
Certainly. The 4.0.4 patch applies cleanly on 4.0.5, but since it could trigger conflicts with other patches, I re-diffed for 4.0.5. I've updated the link on my web page: http://home.uchicago.edu/~dgc/sw/qpopper/index.html > > The biggest social cost to us was that the POP authentication failure > > caused Eudora to forget people's passwords, but since we encourage users > > not to make Eudora remember their passwords anyway, that was a failure > > we could easily live with. > > Can you explain this a little more? I'm not sure I've run into anything > similar to this phenomenon ... A lot of our users tick the box in Eudora that asks it to save the POP account's username and password information on the client PC. Apparently, whenever the POP server returns any -ERR status during authentication, Eudora decides that the password must be incorrect, and "forgets" it -- deletes it from both memory and the disk file where it's stored. (If I knew another error that I could return from qpopper that would tell Eudora that the authentication failed for some reason *other* than a bad username/password, I'd use it. But I don't.) So the next time the client tries to grab mail, whether interactively or automatically, it pops up the password dialogue, because Eudora no longer knows about the saved password. The trouble in this is that a lot of users will set up their account or change their password, and write the password on a Post-It. They never memorize the password, they just copy it directly from the Post-It to Eudora the first time they check mail, and Eudora remembers it for them thereafter. So if they hit the Happymail deferral, the password is lost in Eudora, and they need to reauthenticate through our accounts office, which is at the farthest-away end of campus across vast wasted fields of frozen tundra and pits of fire, rife with battle among angels and demons, where no human -- and certainly no professor -- should be called upon to travel. (So they send graduate students as "representatives.") But we don't mind that much, because we tell people when they receive their accounts initially that it's their duty to remember passwords, and it's important not to store them in Eudora. -- -D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] NSIT University of Chicago "The whole thrust of the text adventure was one picture was worth a thousand words and we would rather give you the thousand words." - Dave Lebling, Implementor
