On 2007-06-08 09:05:22 +0200, Juerd Waalboer wrote: > Peter J. Holzer skribis 2007-06-07 21:51 (+0200): > > > > Instead there is a break in the old transaction and a new transaction is > > > > started. Just like with real mail. > > > I've often forwarded "real mail" without changing anything to the > > > envelope, and without wrapping a new envelope around it. > > Then how did the postman know about the address you wanted the mail to > > be forwarded to? (Delivering yourself doesn't count: In that case you > > are wrapping a "mental envelope" around it). > > Although I was not the postman, it has been my task for a long time to > do the internal delivery. I've never noticed any mental envelopes.
By "mental envelope" I meant that the information where the letter
really should be delivered is in your head instead of on the paper
envelope. If you get a letter addressed to Bob and you see that it is
from Foo Inc. and you know that Alice normally deals with Foo Inc. and
you conclude that the letter really should be delivered to Alice, you
are mentally constructing an outer envelope with "To: Alice" written on
it. While delivering the letter you use only this mental envelope and
ignore the "To: Bob" on the paper envelope.
If the person deciding that the letter must be forwarded to Alice and
person who does the actual delivery are not the same, then this
information must be made explicit: For example by really putting the
letter into a new envelope with "To: Alice" on it, or by striking out
"To: Bob" on the envelope and scribbling "To: Alice" beneath it, or by
just telling the delivery guy or whatever.
> > > > That might be annoying to those who want the MUA to pretend that the
> > > > mail came directly to them but is it more annoying than having to deal
> > > > with the side effects of SPAM?
> > > To me, yes, absolutely. Spam is incredibly annoying, but rewritten
> > > envelopes interrupt my workflow more.
> > You can't avoid rewritten envelopes if you forward mail. How do you even
> > notice them? Reading the Return-Path and Received headers?
>
> Is noticing that they were forwarded necessary for the end user, if
> forwarding is part of an intended automated process?
No. And the user does normally NOT notice it. That's why I asked how
something which you don't even notice can interrupt your workflow.
It occurs to me that we might not mean the same thing when we talk about
the envelope. With envelope I mean the SMTP envelope as defined in
section 2.3.1 of RFC 2821, i.e. the MAIL FROM and RCPT TO commands.
(This is also the definition used in draft-crocker-email-arch-08)
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