Aahh, leaving it all up to the female! ?  Being the devils' advocate here.
NOT  having sex is the best form of birth control as us 'oldies but goodies'
know.  We also know all about precautions.  But tell that to two 15 year
olds.  Obviously what is out there is not working.  Parents do not take the
time to keep track of their kids, there is no discipline, no routine for
young kids--such as a bedtime, meals cooked "at home", no positive extra
activities after school.  Parents do not care.
My son has a child out of wedlock now after shacking up for 2-3 years with a
much younger girl.
"Her" parents let an 18 year old girl move out of the house, for the "first"
time, in with a guy 6 years older than she was.  Three years later as they
were planning on going their own ways, she comes up pregnant.  I have met
her.  She has ambition, is taking college courses mostly on line now, but
does go to a claqss on campus.  When she was here a couple of years ago--my
son lives 2c states away--she came right out and said she wanted kids and a
house, picket fence etc.  My son has been a cook in a Country Kitchen for 4
years and not making enough money to take care of himself much less a child!
They have since moved closer to the colleges and he has a better job, but is
still a cook at a bar/grill and has no idea what to do as a career.  They
are taking advantage of the "single mother" thing for school funds and baby
food and medical care for the baby.  Her parents have bought most of all the
toys and baby bed/play pen and all the newer things available for babies
these days.  I don't know what my son's father has done, don't want to know.
I cannot afford hardly anything.  They did bring him down here for me to
see, I paid for gas, they stayed at my mother's.  He is a doll!  But that
does not undo the deed.  It has given my son a kick in the behind as to what
it takes to support a family, but as long as she recieves money and the baby
gets medical care, he is not too concerned.  Somehow they have worked out a
schedule where they do not need daycare.

Well so much for venting and a little bit of opinion.
take care,

Dana and Ilsa
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Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Re: Bush plays the game of being Christian


>
> In a message dated 10/10/2004 00:44:23 GMT Standard Time,
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> writes:
>
>
> The  reason Bush is anti-abortion is all political, People are brain
washed
> into  thinking he is a Christian. I am a Christian and I learned from the
bible
> that  Jesus loved us enough to give us freedom of choice. It is between a
> woman and  God to have an abortion. The government needs to but out!!
Don't get
> me  started with all of the other issues that I and hopefully most of
America
> have  with Bush.
>
> Meredith
>
>
> I have to admit I have very strong views when it comes to abortion, which
I
> believe are not to be based upon religion, more what's morally right and
> wrong.  I personally believe that abortion is an act of murder, unless the
women
> has been r*ped (*=a), or unless the child will be severely disabled to the
> point that it would have a poor quality of life.  Other than that I think
that
> if a women want's to have sex without taking the right percausions, then
she
> should accept the result of pregnancy.  We all know about the birds and
the
> bees, and we also know how to prevent such things.....
>
> That's just my personal opinion
>
> Love Smurf xxx
>


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