Mark! Who said ANYBODY called that part a success? You're playing right into the hands of the fools making a BIG DEAL of what was only LESS THAN 1/2% of Sadamneds stockpile, they forget to mention "Hey we captured and destroyed 99.5%"! GET A GRIP ON REALITY! Stuntman
> > > The problem is terrorist have munition experts so mixing is not a problem. > And the eyewitnesses saw 100 or more trucks in line carrying these > explosives > no matter how potent they were they're being used to make car bombs which is > what are killing our soldiers. > The high explosives were used to detonate nuclear bombs if I'm correct. > So to put this off as a success by any means is totaly irresponsible. > > Mark > > -------Original Message------- > > From: Stuntman > Date: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 3:24:27 PM > To: QuadPirate; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Stuntman > Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Colin Powell-A Great Soldier! > > The "eyewitnesses" didn't see any of the "reported" high explosives > according to your source. > It is only those that were considered to be the major threat, > everything else including "ingredients" (which only a munitions expert > would know how to mix properly) were "NOT" high priority, nor were low > grade explosives or ammo. The entire dump had an org ~300 TON est > TOTAL, (not just high explosives, which the IEA later reduced to > something like 3 tons) which was 1/2 of 1% of what we have rounded up > and or destroyed. > Thanks to people like the UN (who org refused to destroy it) & the > French (who continued to abuse sanctions selling him more), Sadamned > had way too much, more than what we had been lead to believe was still > in Iraq. We also have them to thank for our having to go in to enforce > UN Resolution 1441, because the French had told Sadamned that there > wouldn't be an enforcement, and Sadamneds refusal to abide by the > Resolution was due to that information. > Was it wrong to take out Sadamned? > Could we have afforded to take the chance that sanctions would be > lifted? > The Oil For Food scandle tells the real story. > Corruption and abuse of power by the UN along with trusted members of > the Security Council. > As far as war goes, it NEVER goes exactly as planned. The problem > included Turkey's choice not to let us launch an attacking front from > their soil. > Only time will tell if President Bush made a correct course of action. > This AP report did not mention that these guys were NOT those who org > stormed the site, just more dust in the wind. > Stuntman > > > > > > I'm a little uneasy about this paperwork because of the number of > > eyewitnesses that saw the looting first hand as stated in this > article. > > LOS ANGELES, California (AP) -- Explosives were looted from the Al- > Qaqaa > > ammunitions site in Iraq while outnumbered U.S. soldiers assigned to > guard > > the materials watched helplessly, soldiers told the Los Angeles Times. > > About a dozen U.S. troops were guarding the sprawling facility in the > weeks > > after the April 2003 fall of Baghdad when Iraqi looters raided the > site, the > > newspaper quoted a group of unidentified soldiers as saying. > > U.S. Army reservists and National Guardsmen witnessed the looting and > some > > soldiers sent messages to commanders in Baghdad requesting help, but > > received no reply, they said. > > "It was complete chaos. It was looting like L.A. during the Rodney > King > > riots," one officer said. > > The eyewitness accounts reported by the Times are the first provided > by U.S. > > soldiers and bolster claims that the U.S. military had failed to > safeguard > > the powerful explosives, the newspaper said. > > Iraqi officials told the United Nations International Atomic Energy > Agency > > last month that about 380 tons of high-grade explosives, a type > powerful > > enough to detonate a nuclear weapon, had been taken from the Al- Qaqaa > > facility. > > Soldiers who belong to two different units described how Iraqis > snatched > > explosives from unsecured bunkers and drove off with them in pickup > trucks. > > The soldiers who spoke to the Times asked to remain unidentified, > saying > > they feared retaliation from the Pentagon. > > The soldiers said they could not confirm that looters took the > particularly > > powerful explosives known as HMX and RDX. One soldier, however, said > U.S. > > forces saw looters load trucks with bags marked "hexamine," which is > a key > > ingredient for HMX. > > One senior noncommissioned officer said troops "were running from one > side > > of the compound to the other side, trying to kick people out" and > that at > > least 100 vehicles were at the site waiting for the military to leave > so > > that they could loot the munitions. > > The Pentagon has offered accounts that suggest the explosives were > removed > > before the U.S.-led invasion to oust Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein and > not > > during the chaos following the fall of Baghdad. > > A Pentagon statement last week said the removal of the explosives > would have > > required dozens of heavy trucks moving along the same roads as U.S. > combat > > divisions. > > The missing explosives became a campaign issue with Sen. John Kerry > claiming > > it was further evidence of the Bush administration's poor handling of > the > > war. > > Four soldiers who are members of the Germany-based 317th Support > Center and > > the 258th Rear Area Operations Center, an Arizona-based Army National > Guard > > unit, said the looting happened over several weeks in late April and > early > > May 2003. > > Asked about the soldiers' accounts, Pentagon spokeswoman Rose-Ann > Lynch told > > the newspaper: "We take the report of missing munitions very > seriously. And > > we are looking into the facts and circumstances of this incident." > > > > > > -------Original Message------- > > > > From: Stuntman > > Date: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 1:45:41 PM > > To: QuadPirate; Stuntman; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Colin Powell-A Great Soldier! > > > > That's because the likes of seeBS choose not to cover it extensively > > like they did the org "story". Remember, they had planned to run the > > story on the Sunday before the election but got scooped by NYT. > > Tens of Thousands of tons of explosives were destroyed by our troops > > and it took a little time to shift through the paper work and reports > > by all of our troops who had org passed through that weapons storage > > depote. Nobody bothered to check with those who had returned to the > > States, (some of the special teams etc) before running with the story > > designed to be an Oct surprise. It turned out to be red herring, just > > another "Rathergate". I wonder why they didn't want to eat the crow > > they tried to serve. I can not remember any time in my life that the > > media has been so blindly biased that they don't even bother to check > a > > story before running with it. This is the kind of thing which really > > worries me. Millions of Americans are being lead around by the nose > and > > don't even care. Nobody is holding the media accountable. > > Sorry but the story link I have no longer works: > > http://story.news.yahoo.com/news? > > > tmpl=story&u=/ap/20041025/ap_on_re_mi_ea/nuclear_agency_iraq_timeline&ci > > d=540&ncid=1473 > > > > BTW How much have you heard of the UN Oil For Food scandle? > > Just wondering how much press this VERY important issue is getting. > > Stuntman > > > > > > > > > > > Hey Stuntman, > > > I'm not trying to restart a debate I would just like to know how we > > know > > > where the missing explosives went because I haven't seen this news. > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > -------Original Message------- > > > > > > From: Stuntman > > > Date: Monday, November 15, 2004 8:26:20 PM > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Colin Powell-A Great Soldier! > > > > > > France stabbed him in the back after promising to back UN > Resolution > > > 1441. The UN wasn't any help either. What happened then behind > closed > > > doors with the President can only be speculated about. The man has > > > served his country beyond the call of duty. He is ready for a well > > > earned vacation from public service. Maybe after a few years his > wife > > > will be ready to kick him back out into the world and he'd consider > > > running for the big job in 2008. > > > But to think it is all about Iraq? > > > It was only a short time ago everyone was whining about > > the "dangerous > > > explosives that could have been used to trigger a nuke". > > > OK, now we know the story about 300+ tons of the stuff missing was > > > wrong, but the O.F.F. scandle is true as were the weapons and > > munitions > > > marked "Made in France 2001". > > > The sanctions were NOT working. > > > There is strong evidence the WMD's were moved into Syria. > > > Sadamned was poised to restsrt his nuke program once sanctions were > > > lifted. > > > All of this treachery uncovered only because President Bush did > what > > he > > > thought was right. > > > > > > > It appears that Colin hasn't been a happy camper the last couple > of > > > years and > > > > has been at odd with the President's other secretaries, non of > them > > > had > > > > combat experience like Colin Powell. It was Colin who made > > > suggestions to the > > > > President which were over ruled by others who didn't have combat > > > experience. In > > > > the end Powell had to explain why we invaded Iraq when in his > > heart, > > > he knew it > > > > was wrong... at the time. > > > > Nothing on the news mentioned anything about his wife. (Just how > do > > > you get > > > > this information?lol) > > > > W > > > > > > > > In a message dated 11/15/04 5:38:22 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > writes: > > > > > > > > << He is a good man. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > -- > > It's not the fall that hurts. > > Home page http://tnthompson0.tripod.com/homeincyberspace/ > > Graphics portfolio http://tnthompson1.tripod.com/index.htm > > Domain space http://nw-in.com/index.html > > > > > > . > -- It's not the fall that hurts. 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