At 11:01 AM 4/8/2007 -0700, Jim Lubin said something that elicited my response: >I am against the whole IVF process that creates excess embryos to begin with.
>On a side note, my cousin just gave birth to a son last week. He was the >result of IVF from her egg and her husband's sperm. They had 8 viable embryos. >The first 7 she did not carry full term. I'm happy for them that the last one >she was able to carry to term and mom and son are doing fine. > >Jim This is where your argument falls apart. First you say you are "against the whole IVF process that creates excess embryos to begin with." And that these eggs are sacred and never should be destroyed. But, then you say that it is wonderful that your cousin in fact murdered 7 sacred eggs before finally becoming pregnant - and pregnant is the operative word. Many human eggs are fertilized but very few result in pregnancy. Everything has to occur exactly in the right way and at the right time for this to happen. Millions of naturally fertilized eggs never develop into a human. If you truly believed in your argument, then you would be disgusted with your cousins 'murderous' behavior. Yet, you rejoice. You can't have it both ways. Dan >At 08:04 AM 4/8/2007, Dan wrote: >>So what do you do with the thousands of excess fertilized eggs that result >>from in vitro fertilization? Store them forever? Ban the process? These >>excess eggs are thrown into the garbage everyday yet I don't hear anyone >>complaining. So what's your answer. >> >>Dan >> >> >>At 07:50 PM 4/7/2007 -0700, Jim Lubin said something that elicited my >>response: >> >>>Glad to see you partly agree with me Dan. (yes I realize you were being >>>sarcastic) I don't agree with the part about having elaborate funerals and >>>burying them, but yes we must not destroy unused fertilized eggs created for >>>IVF treatments. >>> >>>Using unused embryos is not the same as organ donation because organ donor >>>are dead before organs are harvested. Removing stem cells from an embryo >>>kills the embryo. >>> >>>I've listened to Dr Kerr from Johns Hopkins talk a few times about his >>>research. http://www.hopkinsneuro.org/tm/ >>>watch his presentation at the 2006 symposium here >>>http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2767307331641285489&hl=en >>>he mentioned that they want to use the embryos created for IVF that are >>>deformed (something to that effect) and can not be used for in-vitro >>>treatment. Now I can go along with using those that could not be used to >>>result in a pregnancy. >>> >>>I agree with S. 30: A bill to intensify research to derive human pluripotent >>>stem cell lines >>> >>> >>>At 06:35 PM 4/7/2007, Dan wrote: >>>>Yes, yes, yes! We must not destroy all those useless fertilized eggs. We >>>>should let them perish on their own and then we should have an elaborate >>>>funeral and bury them in a tiny little plot of earth. AND we must not allow >>>>abortion at ANY cost. Thank you Jesus! Hallelujah! >>>> >>>>Dan, who always gives great credence to anything authored by a reverend. >>>> >>>>At 06:15 PM 4/7/2007 -0700, Jim Lubin said something that elicited my >>>>response: >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>SIX STEM CELL FACTS >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> * There are non-controversial alternatives worth exploring; such as >>>>> the reprogramming of ordinary somatic (body) cells, the derivation of >>>>> stem cells from amniotic fluid, and (assuming that it can be shown that >>>>> the product is not an embryo), altered nuclear transfer. >>>>> * Concerns about embryo destruction are not only religious; but merely >>>>> a healthy respect for the human capacity for doing evil in pursuit of the >>>>> good. >>>>> * The search for cures is not the only motive behind ESC research,; >>>>> many scientists are interested only in enhancing basic scientific >>>>> knowledge of such things as cell signaling, tissue growth and early human >>>>> development. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Source: Robert P. George and Thomas V. Berg, "Six Stem Cell Facts," Wall >>>>>Street Journal, March 14, 2007. >>>>> >>>>>For text: >>>>> >>>>><http://online.wsj.com/article/SB117384191108736444.html>http://online.wsj.com/article/SB117384191108736444.html >>>>> >>>> >>>>---- >>>>Jim Lubin >>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>http://makoa.org/jim >>>>disAbility Resources: http://www.makoa.org >>>> >>>>
