Ok.
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You know Angie me and agree on embryonic research and I agree that freedom
of speech is sacred and shouldnt be compromised but this list that Jim started
is for helping each other and discussion but common decency and respect is the
path we choose here and believe me when I tell you that the
discussions here have been far more heated and we still managed to keep it in
context without all the personal attacks.
Mark Jackson
RollinOn
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From: Angie Novak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 1:23 PM
To: Quad-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] freedom of speech
Jim,
While I don't agree with religious, racial or homosexual slurs, they aren't
against the law. As far as I know. Yes, it is ignorant, but people are
entitled to what they believe, and if they choose to voice their opinions,
although they aren't politically correct, it is their right to do so. The
apologies are to save face, that's all. I wouldn't intentionally insult anyone
on their beliefs, race, or sexual preference. But it is a right, freedom of
speech, which includes unfavorable speech as well. If I'm wrong, let me know.
Seriously, let me know if I'm wrong about the law. I know I don't expect
anybody to kiss my rear if I'm offended by something. I don't think anyone
should have to do that.
-Angie
Jim Lubin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Angie,
I don't know how much you watch the news, but everyday there seems to be
someone who is forced to apologies for calling someone a racial slur or
homosexual slur. So what makes it okay to demean and insult someone's religious
beliefs? We were having a civil debate on embryonic stem cells where people
were voicing why they were for or against it, without insulting each other or
someone's beliefs.
Jim
At 10:25 AM 4/10/2007, Angie Novak wrote:
I disagree. Even hate speech falls under freedom of speech. If it didn't,
people would be in jail for just speaking their minds. That's not America.
Jim Lubin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
You can't use "freedom of speech" to justify hate speech. It was completely
uncalled for, as were most of his other rants.
At 07:37 AM 4/10/2007, Angie Novak wrote:
Freedom of speech, Dan T.
-Angie
Dan T <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
John, you're getting offensive... Dan T.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think the excess eggs should be served at communion. Like the caviar of
Christ or something. Maybe add a caudacill from Mary
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: quad-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 11:04 AM
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Six Stem Cell Facts
So what do you do with the thousands of excess fertilized eggs that result
from in vitro fertilization? Store them forever? Ban the process? These excess
eggs are thrown into the garbage everyday yet I don't hear anyone complaining.
So what's your answer.
Dan
At 07:50 PM 4/7/2007 -0700, Jim Lubin said something that elicited my
response:
Glad to see you partly agree with me Dan. (yes I realize you were being
sarcastic) I don't agree with the part about having elaborate funerals and
burying them, but yes we must not destroy unused fertilized eggs created for
IVF treatments.
Using unused embryos is not the same as organ donation because organ donor
are dead before organs are harvested. Removing stem cells from an embryo kills
the embryo.
I've listened to Dr Kerr from Johns Hopkins talk a few times about his
research. http://www.hopkinsneuro.org/tm/
watch his presentation at the 2006 symposium here
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2767307331641285489&hl=en
he mentioned that they want to use the embryos created for IVF that are
deformed (something to that effect) and can not be used for in-vitro treatment.
Now I can go along with using those that could not be used to result in a
pregnancy.
I agree with S. 30: A bill to intensify research to derive human pluripotent
stem cell lines
At 06:35 PM 4/7/2007, Dan wrote:
Yes, yes, yes! We must not destroy all those useless fertilized eggs. We
should let them perish on their own and then we should have an elaborate
funeral and bury them in a tiny little plot of earth. AND we must not allow
abortion at ANY cost. Thank you Jesus! Hallelujah!
Dan, who always gives great credence to anything authored by a reverend.
At 06:15 PM 4/7/2007 -0700, Jim Lubin said something that elicited my
response:
SIX STEM CELL FACTS
There are non-controversial alternatives worth exploring; such as the
reprogramming of ordinary somatic (body) cells, the derivation of stem cells
from amniotic fluid, and (assuming that it can be shown that the product is not
an embryo), altered nuclear transfer.
Concerns about embryo destruction are not only religious; but merely a
healthy respect for the human capacity for doing evil in pursuit of the good.
The search for cures is not the only motive behind ESC research,; many
scientists are interested only in enhancing basic scientific knowledge of such
things as cell signaling, tissue growth and early human development.
Source: Robert P. George and Thomas V. Berg, "Six Stem Cell Facts," Wall
Street Journal, March 14, 2007.
For text:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB117384191108736444.html
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