Thanks Jim, very well put. Dan T.
Jim Lubin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: You can't use "freedom of speech" to
justify hate speech. It was completely uncalled for, as were most of his other
rants.
At 07:37 AM 4/10/2007, Angie Novak wrote:
Freedom of speech, Dan T.
-Angie
Dan T <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
John, you're getting offensive... Dan T.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think the excess eggs should be served at communion. Like the caviar of
Christ or something. Maybe add a caudacill from Mary
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To: [email protected]
Sent: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 11:04 AM
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Six Stem Cell Facts
So what do you do with the thousands of excess fertilized eggs that result
from in vitro fertilization? Store them forever? Ban the process? These excess
eggs are thrown into the garbage everyday yet I don't hear anyone complaining.
So what's your answer.
Dan
At 07:50 PM 4/7/2007 -0700, Jim Lubin said something that elicited my
response:
Glad to see you partly agree with me Dan. (yes I realize you were being
sarcastic) I don't agree with the part about having elaborate funerals and
burying them, but yes we must not destroy unused fertilized eggs created for
IVF treatments.
Using unused embryos is not the same as organ donation because organ donor
are dead before organs are harvested. Removing stem cells from an embryo kills
the embryo.
I've listened to Dr Kerr from Johns Hopkins talk a few times about his
research. http://www.hopkinsneuro.org/tm/
watch his presentation at the 2006 symposium here
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2767307331641285489&hl=en
he mentioned that they want to use the embryos created for IVF that are
deformed (something to that effect) and can not be used for in-vitro treatment.
Now I can go along with using those that could not be used to result in a
pregnancy.
I agree with S. 30: A bill to intensify research to derive human pluripotent
stem cell lines
At 06:35 PM 4/7/2007, Dan wrote:
Yes, yes, yes! We must not destroy all those useless fertilized eggs. We
should let them perish on their own and then we should have an elaborate
funeral and bury them in a tiny little plot of earth. AND we must not allow
abortion at ANY cost. Thank you Jesus! Hallelujah!
Dan, who always gives great credence to anything authored by a reverend.
At 06:15 PM 4/7/2007 -0700, Jim Lubin said something that elicited my
response:
SIX STEM CELL FACTS
There are non-controversial alternatives worth exploring; such as the
reprogramming of ordinary somatic (body) cells, the derivation of stem cells
from amniotic fluid, and (assuming that it can be shown that the product is not
an embryo), altered nuclear transfer.
Concerns about embryo destruction are not only religious; but merely a
healthy respect for the human capacity for doing evil in pursuit of the good.
The search for cures is not the only motive behind ESC research,; many
scientists are interested only in enhancing basic scientific knowledge of such
things as cell signaling, tissue growth and early human development.
Source: Robert P. George and Thomas V. Berg, "Six Stem Cell Facts," Wall
Street Journal, March 14, 2007.
For text:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB117384191108736444.html
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