I keep a leg bag connected to my catheter day and night.? When I'm in bed I 
don't leave it attached to my leg, I just lay it on the bed next to me.? I've 
done this for several years now and haven't really had a problem.? I used to 
have trouble with bags slipping off the catheter but since I started using 
Mentor's Alpine LegBag I haven't had any more problems.? I change my bag once a 
month and my catheter every six weeks.? 

The key to not getting infections with an indwelling is to drink lots of 
water.? Keeping your system flushed is essential.? I have never in my 7yrs of 
quad life heard of flushing the bladder with vinegar or any other type of 
fluid.? I know it's hard to drink when you're not thirsty, but it's important 
to have a high intake of water...water...water.? (Not soda--caffeine takes 
calcium out of your body making your urine cloudy and increasing your risk of 
osteoporosis)? I drink about 7 or 8 700ml bottles of water a day.? 

Luke


-----Original Message-----
From: John S. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: David K. Kelmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; quad-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 2:54 pm
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Irrigating indwelling or suprapubic catheters




Dave,

DO NOT FLUSH YOUR BLADDER WITH BLEACH! Because of bleaches toxicity as an 
internally used chemical, I was inspired to write the thread a few weeks ago 
asking if any of you prevent urine from the bed bag tube from running back into 
your bladder. A local nursing home cleans the bed bags with bleach and water 
then reattaches it to the SP catheter. Everyone in the home has awful and 
persistant infections while taking assorted anti biotics daily. I personally 
called the doctors of record about 2 patients that were showing signs of fatal 
reactions to macrodantin. (I'm amazed nurses are so afraid of doctors that they 
won't do such things.) 

Maybe its in the hippa rules not do anything to save Med/Med patients.

So, here is a new trick to try if you have an SP catheter. Attach a small leg 
bag to your catheter and leave it there. Do Not disconect it. When transferring 
bed bags and other leg bags, simply attach them to the drain side of the 
permanent leg bag.

Goal: Adding an extra barrier to germs and chemicals and reducing infections.

?

My big question is, why do you flush your bladders? Don't you change your 
catheter once a month? 

Even when folks say they use sterile techniques with replacement of catheters, 
there are new bacteria introduced. If you are as incredibly sterile about your 
technique, the best you can achieve is to be clean. 

?

good luck and best wishes,

john



----- Original Message ----
From: David K. Kelmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: quad-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 2:55:23 PM
Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] Irrigating indwelling or suprapubic catheters


Hi Eric,

?

How do you open your tube?? Do you also flush the leg/bedside bags with a 
vinegar mix, too?? I flush out my tubing and bags with a 10/1 bleach/water mix, 
and then throughly dry and reusable bag parts.

?

With Love,
?
CtrlAltDel aka Dave
C4/5 Complete -?31 Years Post

Texas, USA?




Eric W Rudd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



correct

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Eric W Rudd

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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-----Original Message-----
From: Danny Hearn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 1:00 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Irrigating indwelling or suprapubic catheters


Eric....for the mix with water, You use the White 
Vinegar-----Correct???????????????? Dan

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 


In a message dated 10/26/2007 7:52:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL 
PROTECTED] writes:

Yep...i use to get sterile h2o from pharmacy then they said they could no
longer do it so was getting it online.? Then they said they couldn't so I
had no choice...thought, u know, if my cath is clogged, we don't take the
time to use sterile h2o, so, lets try it.? Have been using tap h2o & vinegar
everyday...no problems & clear cath.

Eric W Rudd
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



-----Original Message-----
From: KK [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 6:28 PM
To: Eric W Rudd; quad-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] Irrigating indwelling or suprapubic catheters


Eric - tap water?? Our water has all sorts of "stuff" in it.? I only use
sterile water & only when I have started passing clots.




what is wrong with distilled water? about 70 cents a gallon.




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