Lori,

Thank you for the information.


I wasn't aware that you could quickly died from being septic until it
happened to me. The last time I was, I went into a coma for a 8 days and it was
from a UTI.

What kind of light can anyone else share about the dangers of becoming
septic and the signs to look for. I was having problems doing normal things
such  as taking my medication, brushing my teeth, which I don't do at all
independently. I was chewing my medication, biting my toothbrush and laughing
inappropriately. I didn't want to go to the hospital. My mom came by and
ordered  an ambulance. Sometimes caregivers don't pick up on these obvious
problems and  get you to the hospital in time.

I remember going in a coma for four days and waking up for a short time and
 going back into a coma.

The first time I became septic, it was also a UTI. I remember talking to be
 IV machine like it was my computer, thinking I could put myself in bed. I
started to bite my brother's finger when he was giving me lip gloss. It was
 really strange. We are not aware we are acting strange.


I was told that having a UTI and becoming septic can also cause pneumonia,
which I got the second time. I had to come home with oxygen for several 
weeks.  Drs. thought I would die both times.  It is a scary situation.  It can
happen so quickly.


I hope others can offer more information. I don't know Mark's symptoms, 
before he became septic.

We miss you Mark and Dave. It's so hard to believe they are gone as their
lives were not long enough and they were great contributors to this list.
Two of  the persons I felt I could write the easiest. Mark's daughter was the
music  also. He spoke of several times. I know he will be playing his guitar
in heaven  and so glad to see his brother.
Dana


Dana


In a message dated 6/7/2009 3:12:15 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:



Below Bill wrote "Dave died when they removed a Central IV line from his
neck."  I do not know if he died  instantaneously as they were removing it
but if he  did then something caused it directly from the removal  because
someone does not died suddenly from such a routine procedure.
When my nurse was here to change my catheter and recertify me for my  home
healthcare on Thursday I was asking her what could possibly have  happened
to Dave by explaining to her what little I knew about Dave and what  happened
to him.  She was a nursing floor manager for many many years and  is a
seasoned nurse.  Age - 61.  Her response to me about what could  have possibly
happened is:

Central Line (PICC Line) Problems that  can go wrong:
* A tip of the catheter could have broken off during removal and gone into
the bloodstream causing a fatal clot.
* Even though there is very little air in Central Lines — there is also the
 opportunity for an air bubble to be released and therefore cause a fatal
air  embolism.  This would be especially opportunistic if the patient was
taking a breath during the removal of the Central Line.  I  remember being
told not to breathe when they were inserting and/or  removing my Central Lines
-- at certain crucial points.
* Central Lines go right into the center of the chest where the heart and
lungs are so it is very important that the person putting the lines  in are
specially trained to do this.  The two times I had it done  [in the summer
of 2005 and then 2006] -- a local hospital has a special room  with 2
specially trained personnel for the insertion.  And that is all  they do -- put 
in
Central Lines.  The removal can be done at home -- as  mine was by my home
health agency nurse.  Not as risky as putting  it in but the
person/nurse/professional still has to know what  they're doing.

Just good to stay informed!

Lori Michaelson
Age - 44
C4/5 complete quad, 29 years post
Tucson, AZ




On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 5:11 PM, Bill Jenkins <[email protected]_
(mailto:[email protected]) > wrote:



Dave died when they removed a central  IV line from his neck.  His body (as
per his wishes) was sent to a  university for scientific study.  His
memorial service will be at 1pm  CT at the Seventh Day Adventist Church, 1305 
14th
St., Wichita Falls,  TX 76301.  Jan only asked that you stop and think of
Dave and his  family for a few moments.

I sent a small flower arrangement on  behalf of the SCIC and QUAD LIST
members.

As Dave would say: "Stay  strong."

Bill J.<--The one in  FL
C5-6 since 7/20/68 Diving accident
Age 58
Leesburg,  FL
If you think  health care is expensive now, wait until you see what it
costs when it's  free!











--
Lori
C4/5 complete quad, 27 years post
Tucson,  AZ




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