where do you think the money will come from? We can't have another socialist program - i.e. universal healthcare - because that means it would raise our taxes
-----Original Message----- From: Dan <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Mon, Oct 19, 2009 3:00 pm Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Wheelchaiir repair from HELL Capitalism, capitalism. We worship it. It is the answer to all our dreams. But what is capitalism?... It's nothing but a giant pyramid scheme. Think about it. The top 10% controls 90% of the wealth of this country. Doesn't that tell you something? Is this fair? And please don't give me that old line - if you work hard enough you could be rich too. That top 10% is an elite group. An exclusive group. And they know full well that if too many people get in on the action their wealth will dwindle. So the members of Congress, who are definitely part of that elite 10%, and are guardians of their cronies estates pass the laws that keep the rich rich and the poor poorer. The sad part is that the poor either cannot or will not see this. If it wasn't so sad it would be funny. I know so many people that totally believe the rhetoric of the top 10%. "We can't have another socialist program - i.e. universal healthcare - because that means it would raise our taxes". It just doesn't make sense to me. And it scares me. It's scary that these top 10% have so much control over the psyche of those less fortunate in this country. It's like bringing lambs to the slaughter. And we are more than happy to go along, just as long as you don't raise our taxes. Dan At 09:49 PM 10/17/2009, John S. said something that elicited my response: In most industrialized nations socialism is alive and well. Most choose a blend of capitalism and socialism. The US has reached a point where the super rich are so far out of reach of the middle class that it is embaressing. The poor in our country are not poor by choice. Everyone should be able to see a doctor without going to an ER first. Over 70% of the people in the US (mostly children)that have died from H1N1 were uninsured. It has gotten so bad that many hospitals do not accept uninsured people at all. They do, however, accept government funding. Where I live I can only go to hospitals that get county funding. Corporations get much more welfare and taxpayer money than do welfare recipients. The fact that the government declared so many banks and insurance and investment companies, "too big to be allowed to fail", should tell you we are socialized...for the super rich. If you think Rush is giving advice to the conservatives, remember, he supported Bush until he left office and Rush is a drug abuser that hires illegal aliens. If he made 20 million less a year then he would be in prison. The rich own the justice system. Do we just wait untill they own the medical system, too. I feel that we have a chance to do something good for the American people if the bunch of millionaires in Washington can come to a healthcare solution. Remember, TARP funds would have paid for CMS for the next ten years. The money wasted in Iraq would have paid for every American child that wanted to go to college. Isn't it strange how so many people in other countries can get a power wheelchair repaired without a congressional mandate? John (socialist) From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Fri, October 16, 2009 5:22:58 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Wheelchaiir repair from HELL Who's asking for Gov't control - you? Not me nor anyone I know. Capitalism failed?? Wait until you see what these give-away programs will cost you. -----Original Message----- From: Merrill <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Fri, Oct 16, 2009 1:34 pm Subject: FW: [QUAD-L] Wheelchaiir repair from HELL Why are people requesting government control? Looks more like Capitalism is a failed concept. From: bob quinn [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 12:25 PM To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Wheelchaiir repair from HELL Socialism is a dirty word. Its a failed concept. What the GOP calls socialism --like a public healthcare option, for example-- is nothing of the sort. Its just fear-mongering, which is -sadly- what they do best. At 02:48 PM 10/16/2009, Merrill wrote: Then right winged Republican’s use Socialism as a di dirty word to discredit our president. From: bob quinn [ mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 11:35 AM To: Thomas & NoelCusack; [email protected] Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Wheelchaiir repair from HELL Profits are great! Its profiteering that is bad. Companies that go proprietary for the sake of profits, rather than standardizing (which means cooperating with competitors, among other things) for the sake of their customers, are profiteers. As evidenced by countless standards that have evolved in countless industries, standards are great for customers and vendors because they level the playing field and foster healthy competition. They reduce *everyone's* costs, and just make for a nicer, simpler world. At 12:38 PM 10/16/2009, Thomas & NoelCusack wrote: There's nothing wrong with profits. that's what allows the business to stay in business. I have been with a couple of mobility dealers that went out of business because they had no profits, got greedy and took advantage of the customers. Locally, we have only one big mobility dealer and what they are charging the customer for sales and service is unholy. Yet like cockroaches-theyll survive. The problem is that their customers are crippled more by what they have to pay for sales and service. Let the tv stations realize the markups that they're getting-you'd be shocked and saddened. --- On Fri, 10/16/09, bob quinn <[email protected]> wrote: From: bob quinn <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Wheelchaiir repair from HELL To: [email protected], [email protected], [email protected] Date: Friday, October 16, 2009, 11:06 AM And that speaks of another need whose time is wa-a-a-ay overdue: Power Wheelchair Industry Standards There's only one reason none exist yet: profits. At 11:24 AM 10/16/2009, [email protected] wrote: Common parts are not common. Manufactures recommend or require that all parts must be ordered from the serial number of the chair as design changes during any given year may change. If a provider orders stock and it sits on the shelf for too long, it becomes wasteful and poor capital use. Look around at the various electric wheelchairs the are near to you and your friends. Do you all have the same size batteries? How about wheels and controllers. When you see "stock" on the shelf, is usually a wrong order that can't be returned for credit. I agree the techs require more training as equipment changes each year. Certification and annual testing is expensive and the price is added to the cost of repairs. Some people wait until the very very very last minute to have service and repairs on their equipment. Some do not have back up equipment for those emergencies. Its also important to know what you have and how it works. Keep in mind that the rules of insurance, be it government or private dictate the rules of repairs. The service tech is merely following those rules in doing their jobs. Keep in mind, this won't solve any problems but it does explain some of them. Best Wishes In a message dated 10/16/2009 10:00:42 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: When it comes to wheelchair repairs your trip to Hell is just starting. They will never let me just tell them what the problem is, even if itâ€ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢„¢s just a flat t tire (now I only use fllat-free tires). I either have to go in or have them pick up my chair. If my chair is at all usable I go in, otherwise they keep it for 4-8 weeks as they get insurance ok, order parts, etc. We need some kind of patient rights bill for wheelchair repair shops. Have common parts in stock. Get insurance ok’s via phone right away. t> > <; Have loner chairs available. WORK WEEKENDS. Greg After many months of the recline not working on the chair, I finally found someone who could at least come look at it. He spoke Spanish & a few words of English. Had to have an interpreter. When i called the shop I told them what the flashing lights were saying controller error. He & his wife came. Stayed about an hour & all he could say was the circuit breaker wasn't worrying. When you request someone who can work on the computer, seems to me they should have sent one. How do you specify the problems & make sure that the correct repairman comes to take of all the problem? =
