Good point, Brittany, and I agree with you. I wonder how many folks on this list went through a "I want to kill myself" phase. Maybe some are still there. It's your life, your body, your choice, but I just wouldn't want it to become too easy for such momentary, panic-driven wishes to be honored. We need y'all!
From: Brittany Déjean [mailto:britt...@ablethrive.com] Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2016 7:57 AM To: Jim Lubin Cc: quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] quad movie-You Before Me I chimed in on the Me Before You debate- to try to help frame the issues for people who might not understand why this movie is tough and how damaging it can be because of how it impacts public consciousness about disability- Will was rich, had a supportive family, the love of his life, nurses and caregivers and he still wanted to die -- what motivates people to pay attention to the issues that make it disproportionately harder to live with a disability (healthcare, access to education and employment, accessibility), if the example is someone who had it all and it wasn't enough? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/echoing-green/why-its-worth-reconsideri_b_10258230.html On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 9:52 PM, Jim Lubin <jlu...@eskimo.com> wrote: For those who want to see a fairly good movie about a quad, I thought Who's Driving Doug was good. Just saw it on Netflix. Not as good as The Intouchables, but that was based on a true story. On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 4:13 PM, Quadius <quad...@gmail.com> wrote: Just let you know the movie is called Me before You. I choose not to watch movies about quads anyway. I live the life, so why do I want to go to a movie and see more about that. That's just my personal opinion. I'm in favor of death with dignity, but they're definitely should be constraints so that mentally incompetent people are not putting other people in a terrible position. Just my two cents. On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 1:05 AM, Jim Lubin <jlu...@eskimo.com> wrote: I agree Gail. I remember when when WA passed the Death with Dignity Act, i.e. assisted-suicide, I was contacted by a reporter who wanted my option as a ventilator dependent quadriplegic and a ssumed I was against it.The reporter said a person in my condition might be pressured to using it. I replied that I was in favor of the Act. I think people should have the right to decide. Also pointed out that the Act as signed into law in Washington state would never apply to me in my condition. For one, you must be suffering from a terminal disease and have less than six months to live, which I am not. If I did ever end up suffering from a terminal disease, I don't meet one of the other provisions that the patient must self-administer the medication, which I am unable to do. The reporter never replied to me. On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 8:12 PM, Gail Overton <ga...@pennwell.com> wrote: The decision to live is a personal one, and humans should not be criminalized for committing suicide if they choose. Everyone has different levels of disability and deals with them differently. In the wild, injured wolves are shunned by the pack. Humans say they are different, but should they be? Not everyone has a great support system and living can be more painful than dying in many cases. The right to death should be judged no more than the right to life. From: Lori Michaelson [mailto:lorilivin...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 5:53 PM To: Ben Mattlin; quad-list Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] quad movie-You Before Me The movie Whose Life Is It Anyway? [opened December 1981] starring Richard Dreyfuss is another movie. I watched it several years ago and still have it. Plot below: Whose Life Is It Anyway? is a 1981 film adapted by <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3a%2f%2fen.wikipedia.org%2fwiki%2fBrian_Clark_(writer)&data=01%7c01%7cGailO%40Pennwell.com%7c856a8779866f4c95097608d38b4976ff%7c5bbf75da8a3f493c8343e6cd0cb0e070%7c1&sdata=TcHGHD6oeoe90EtVSM6IhUhF%2b04FCRxfsQQx64TuId8%3d> Brian Clark and <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3a%2f%2fen.wikipedia.org%2fwiki%2fReginald_Rose&data=01%7c01%7cGailO%40Pennwell.com%7c856a8779866f4c95097608d38b4976ff%7c5bbf75da8a3f493c8343e6cd0cb0e070%7c1&sdata=k9ED%2fcdu%2fNXuguHHfQLVOiHoVYRKSEkxqiRq2WSOmgE%3d> Reginald Rose from a 1972 television movie and Clark's play of the same title. The film is directed by <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3a%2f%2fen.wikipedia.org%2fwiki%2fJohn_Badham&data=01%7c01%7cGailO%40Pennwell.com%7c856a8779866f4c95097608d38b4976ff%7c5bbf75da8a3f493c8343e6cd0cb0e070%7c1&sdata=Li83lLIkaQcYFZc7JMZGP0JoD83Gim5GzTSWw41rTzY%3d> John Badham and stars <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3a%2f%2fen.wikipedia.org%2fwiki%2fRichard_Dreyfuss&data=01%7c01%7cGailO%40Pennwell.com%7c856a8779866f4c95097608d38b4976ff%7c5bbf75da8a3f493c8343e6cd0cb0e070%7c1&sdata=A1%2bE93ccoPvThjeOJNslbbuvAWI9bEj%2fmxxi2iY9dyg%3d> Richard Dreyfuss. Plot After a car accident, sculptor Ken Harrison becomes a <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3a%2f%2fen.wikipedia.org%2fwiki%2fQuadriplegia&data=01%7c01%7cGailO%40Pennwell.com%7c856a8779866f4c95097608d38b4976ff%7c5bbf75da8a3f493c8343e6cd0cb0e070%7c1&sdata=htoXlO8S45Tx%2br2QR0%2bS35oy6WtoJCobRwW893eDl2E%3d> quadriplegic who sues for the <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3a%2f%2fen.wikipedia.org%2fwiki%2fEuthanasia&data=01%7c01%7cGailO%40Pennwell.com%7c856a8779866f4c95097608d38b4976ff%7c5bbf75da8a3f493c8343e6cd0cb0e070%7c1&sdata=w5qwwD0hS%2fWtZur077kBlTtZmNQYX0Dav%2fVcgVCV144%3d> right to end his life, no longer able to create art, make love or have any semblance of a normal existence. He hires a lawyer ( <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3a%2f%2fen.wikipedia.org%2fwiki%2fBob_Balaban&data=01%7c01%7cGailO%40Pennwell.com%7c856a8779866f4c95097608d38b4976ff%7c5bbf75da8a3f493c8343e6cd0cb0e070%7c1&sdata=sm%2fOMCjj2QQwoF3QNYWZICmpi%2bkkYjcKSJurL%2fO7rnc%3d> Bob Balaban) who, reluctantly at first, represents Harrison while knowing that he is trying to win his client a <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3a%2f%2fen.wikipedia.org%2fwiki%2fDeath_sentence&data=01%7c01%7cGailO%40Pennwell.com%7c856a8779866f4c95097608d38b4976ff%7c5bbf75da8a3f493c8343e6cd0cb0e070%7c1&sdata=APDjzTYIx9ff4id34EA%2fDJe%2bPVDsHAb2Z87T3cvYNR0%3d> death sentence. Staunchly opposed to euthanasia is a by-the-book hospital administrator ( <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3a%2f%2fen.wikipedia.org%2fwiki%2fJohn_Cassavetes&data=01%7c01%7cGailO%40Pennwell.com%7c856a8779866f4c95097608d38b4976ff%7c5bbf75da8a3f493c8343e6cd0cb0e070%7c1&sdata=7Qk%2fn8FLE4itZSCUWC3ZnHWISqIgujLGlytI345N54Q%3d> John Cassavetes), who is determined to keep his patient alive even against his wishes, and sympathetic doctor ( <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3a%2f%2fen.wikipedia.org%2fwiki%2fChristine_Lahti&data=01%7c01%7cGailO%40Pennwell.com%7c856a8779866f4c95097608d38b4976ff%7c5bbf75da8a3f493c8343e6cd0cb0e070%7c1&sdata=MXcr%2bJ7GaJlcyDveQKBIajV3ao3gr0XG7M3QEf6GMQk%3d> Christine Lahti), who develops personal feelings for Harrison. She wants to keep him alive, even though Harrison's girlfriend has accepted his decision. A young orderly ( <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3a%2f%2fen.wikipedia.org%2fwiki%2fThomas_Carter_(director)&data=01%7c01%7cGailO%40Pennwell.com%7c856a8779866f4c95097608d38b4976ff%7c5bbf75da8a3f493c8343e6cd0cb0e070%7c1&sdata=MSkzINIibFGfKQM8Q4nTHSAQ3psH40Yhzs3KUTsOLLU%3d> Thomas Carter) and nurse ( <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3a%2f%2fen.wikipedia.org%2fwiki%2fKaki_Hunter&data=01%7c01%7cGailO%40Pennwell.com%7c856a8779866f4c95097608d38b4976ff%7c5bbf75da8a3f493c8343e6cd0cb0e070%7c1&sdata=BrC%2fDB7V%2bWnMo%2fuqX8iMt7%2bDQl8uW7kY%2baN2BFvw6bo%3d> Kaki Hunter) do what they can to keep Harrison's spirits up, even wheeling him to a hospital basement where they treat him to reggae music and marijuana. In the end, though, it is up to a judge ( <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3a%2f%2fen.wikipedia.org%2fwiki%2fKenneth_McMillan_(actor)&data=01%7c01%7cGailO%40Pennwell.com%7c856a8779866f4c95097608d38b4976ff%7c5bbf75da8a3f493c8343e6cd0cb0e070%7c1&sdata=Ch6pWJz4ezvzXZgriTz1UzDPbNdJlsHh%2bgpbC0HCRCU%3d> Kenneth McMillan) whether the patient has a moral, ethical and legal right to choose to die. -- Brittany Déjean Founder & Director <https://media.licdn.com/media-proxy/ext?w=180&h=110&f=c&hash=D%2BhnTrWLLNKIlglUQDM13Q9EROE%3D&ora=1%2CaFBCTXdkRmpGL2lvQUFBPQ%2CxAVta9Er0Ua9hFUbwBAk9KaTpFm1qkRISM3LEi3yBHvur4vEfzKpJZiOLfG-pl0XfTMBlxtjLbP9BGijS9XpRMqtIooo18KmZdW1dAI5OU571CdF_NY> @AbleThrive <http://www.twitter.com/ablethrive> /Facebook <http://www.facebook.com/ablethrive> This is the end of the message --
