Agreed they do work well...But I'm sure they are not strictly legal in the uk. I believe they may be used as secondary lighting but there should be type approved permanent on lights as well. During previous exchanges about LED rear lights and the legality of LED replacement bulbs I checked out the local Halfords and all the flashy bike ones have some comment regarding use. Ive yet to see any advert for the LED replacement car bulbs that does not have the "Off road use only" statement. I'm no expert but I would be very suprised if front and rear lights don't have to be type approved as an assembly which includes the bulb.
As a side, I read today that the 12volt halogen MR16 style bulbs that are used in kitchens and other decorative units are to be removed from sale by the EC at the end of the year. The 240 volt GU10 versions are to remain - so far The whole bulb scene seems to be screwed up by the EC. Having stopped the use of incandescent bulbs in the name of energy saving we now pay much higher prices for bulbs that frequently do not achieve a fraction of their promised life and then get thrown in the general rubbish bin releasing all those phosphors from the internal coatings Sorry guys rant over Ken > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: More lights > Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 20:05:18 +0000 > > Push bikes use flashing front and rear lights to attract the eye for > safety and it works well. My wife has had less near misses commuting > on her bike since we fitted them. > > Don't Grand Prix cars have flashing rear lights? > > Derek > > > > On 21 Feb 2012, at 10:32, Matthew Wastell wrote: > > > I really noticed a bike using it recently. Much more than bikes > > without. Humans recognise changes much more easily so something > > moving or flashing will draw the attention much more. > > > > I think in bikes they are a great idea as the normally combined > > single light systems are much harder to notice especially as they > > are now generally running headlights on all the time. > > > > Now if we could just get people to use their indicators correctly > > that would be nice. Maybe they will be automated some time ;-) > > > > M > > > > > > > > On 20 Feb 2012, at 21:56, Eddie <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> > >> There has been a kit that you can retro fit to modern motorbikes that > >> flashes the brake light. It is available from Acumen electronics and > >> has been available here for a couple of years now. > >> Apparently it draws attention to the bike using its brakes. > >> I am not so sure though that practice in this case is as good as the > >> theory. > >> > >> Eddie > >> > >> On Feb 20, 8:49 pm, Matthew Wastell <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> Some of the modern cars flash the brakes when they are first > >>> applied. Not sure if pressure or g related or time or what but > >>> I've seen on a few high end fancy cars. > >>> > >>> On 20 Feb 2012, at 14:43, TonyV <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>> I saw a funny the other day, too. A Golf where the centre > >>>> brakelight > >>>> flashed. > >>>> It seemed to be flashing all the time, except when braking when it > >>>> came on properly. > >>>> At least, I assume it was braking, because he was stopped at a > >>>> hilly > >>>> junction, but there were no other lights to suggest an > >>>> application of > >>>> the centre pedal... > >>>> Surely somebody wouldn't have been so daft as to deliberately > >>>> modify > >>>> their rear lights in this way...? > >>> > >>>> Back to your example. > >>> > >>>> I'm surprised it's legal merely to flash a light from red to yellow > >>>> when operating indicators and sidelights together. > >>>> I know it's practical and workable, I'm just surprised it's legal. > >>>> But it sounds like an OEM has done it, so I suppose it must be. > >>> > >>>> It'd be worse when using foglights and indicators - going from > >>>> bright > >>>> red to bright yellow. > >>>> I'm not sure that's enough variety to catch the attention of a > >>>> following driver. > >>>> All too often the change from "off" to "brake lights" isn't, so I > >>>> don't think I'd like to rely on a mere colour change. > >>>> And that's before we even consider the issue of colour-blindness! > >>> > >>>> Also, given your priority order, wouldn't this mean that you lose > >>>> the > >>>> rear sidelights when the reversing lights are on? Thereby > >>>> suggesting > >>>> to other drivers that your car is facing the other way? > >>> > >>>> What about your number plate light? Is that separate, or built-in? > >>>> Often manufacturers use the same taillight bulb to illuminate the > >>>> plate. > >>> > >>>> I did buy a few boards to experiment with LED lights - 48 bright > >>>> white > >>>> SMD LEDs pre-soldered to a board and with all the power circuitry > >>>> already fixed in and ready to run at 12v. > >>>> (Other sizes are available - from 6 up to 64+ LEDs). > >>> > >>>> They're being sold on ebay as being suitable for replacing interior > >>>> lights and come with adapters for a number of different bulb types. > >>>> I was going to try them behind various spare lenses (brake, > >>>> sidelight > >>>> etc.) to ensure they're bright enough before doing anything drastic > >>>> like actually fitting them. > >>>> Pity it's not as easy/straightforward to do the indicators - the > >>>> loading is different so the flasher unit would think the bulb has > >>>> failed. > >>> > >>>> But it would save me having to make up huge fibreglass boxes to > >>>> encase > >>>> the rear of the rear lights, as well as solving a few problems with > >>>> bad connections due to using 40 year old bulb holders etc. > >>> > >>>> Question - how legal would this be? Given that I'd be fitting them > >>>> behind existing lenses which still carry E-marks..... > >>> > >>>> For the number plate, I managed to get replacement bulbs which > >>>> incorporate 13 SMD LEDs arranged to shine in all directions. These > >>>> will fit in the existing bulb holder as a direct swap for the > >>>> original > >>>> tungsten item. I haven't got round to fitting these yet either. > >>> > >>>> TonyV. > >>> > >>>> On Feb 20, 10:35 am, "Jim Hearne" <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>> The mention of lights reminded me. > >>>>> I was behind a car the other day in the dark that had LED rear > >>>>> lights (factory, not OEM), didn't recognise the make/model. > >>>>> It used the same section of the rear light for sidelights as > >>>>> indicators. > >>>>> When the indicator was flashing it went from dim red (sidelight) > >>>>> to bright yellow. > >>> > >>>>> The lead me to think, what would be the minimum number of > >>>>> sections you'd need for rear lights if you used different colour > >>>>> LEDS to meet the regs. > >>> > >>>>> The 2+2 rear lights use the same bulb for sidelights and fog so > >>>>> i guess you can combine those. > >>> > >>>>> I think probably 2. > >>> > >>>>> Section 1. Brake lights only. > >>>>> Section 2. Sidelights (dim red) , Fog lights (bright red) , > >>>>> reversing lights (white), Indicators (Yellow) in priority order. > >>> > >>>>> Any thoughts ? > >>> > >>>>> Jim > >>> > >>>> -- > >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the > >>>> Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. > >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >>>> [email protected] > >>>> For more options, visit this group > >>>> athttp://groups.google.com/group/quantumowners?hl=en > >>> > >>>> IMPORTANT NOTE: All information presented herewith is provided on > >>>> an "As Is" basis, without warranty or the implication thereof. > >>>> Neither the Quantum Owners Club nor the individuals associated > >>>> with the Quantum Owners Club or in the preparation of the above > >>>> information shall have any liability to any person or entity with > >>>> respect to liability, loss, or damage caused or alleged to be > >>>> caused directly or indirectly by the instructions contained > >>>> within this or related message(s). > >> > >> -- > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >> Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. > >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >> [email protected] > >> For more options, visit this group at > >> http://groups.google.com/group/quantumowners?hl=en > >> > >> IMPORTANT NOTE: All information presented herewith is provided on > >> an "As Is" basis, without warranty or the implication thereof. > >> Neither the Quantum Owners Club nor the individuals associated with > >> the Quantum Owners Club or in the preparation of the above > >> information shall have any liability to any person or entity with > >> respect to liability, loss, or damage caused or alleged to be > >> caused directly or indirectly by the instructions contained within > >> this or related message(s). > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > [email protected] > > For more options, visit this group at > > http://groups.google.com/group/quantumowners?hl=en > > > > IMPORTANT NOTE: All information presented herewith is provided on an > > "As Is" basis, without warranty or the implication thereof. 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