Julian,

I've not seen an upper engine mount like yours on a Zetec before.  You mentioned that offside you have 2 mounts and I'm assuming these are in the locations per Jim's earlier image. These are the standard locations for engine mounts on the Zetec and the H4 chassis came with bolt holes for the front mount, which was only used on the Zetec engine.  The CVH engine only uses the mount on the offside suspension turret, where the Zetec uses that, plus the bolt in mount at the front.

The only other engine mounts are those under the gearbox, connected to the cradle.  These are fitted to the front and rear sections of the cradle that bend up from the horizontal.

I would expect that if the other engine mounts are in decent condition that broken mount would not be needed, unless the engine/crank was unbalanced and generated too much vibration. However I suspect this might have been added as a belt and braces approach to prevent the engine torque creating too much movement under acceleration.  I suspect that even high power engines, such as those in Jim's 2+2 (even though it's a hybrid ZVH) or Bob Craig's Zetec turbo could control the torque with good engine mounts in the Ford standard locations.

If changing the gearbox mounts it was always rumoured that the diesel mounts were stiffer/stronger.  I'm not sure if that is true, but I did fit these to my CVH turbo powered H4 and didn't suffer engine movement issues.

Regards,
Steve

On 22/07/2019 20:41, Julian Coleman wrote:
Hi

I've just checked out the engine bay and there are two mounts on the offside. The rear one is pretty hard to see but I can see the support coming up to meet a bracket which I assume is bolted to the block. The front one is very easy to see and is in very good condition. The gearbox housing has two, one at the very front, the other at the rear, both very substantial and well bolted down. I know the rubbers are good because I had them checked - there is an optical illusion in the H4 which makes it look as though the engine is not level as though it had sunk at the gearbox end. It was checked, and it is level with no sign of softness in the mounts.

However someone has felt it necessary at some time to tie the engine down tighter and the work looks good aside from the misalignment.

Given all the mounts are present and apparently correct, I assume it's perfectly safe to remove the offending item and see how it all behaves. If it jerks, I can rebuild the strut and remove the offset.  I wonder though if a shock absorber there might be more useful, but that would not stop the kind of movement that might stress the exhaust for example.

Thanks for the help so far, further advice appreciated.

Regards

Julian Coleman
City Audio Services



    ----- Original Message -----
    From:
    "Jim Hearne" <[email protected]>

    To:
    "Julian Coleman" <[email protected]>
    Cc:

    Sent:
    Mon, 22 Jul 2019 19:38:55 +0100
    Subject:
    Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: H4 top engine stay/mount and 2L hoses


    100% Not a Ford part and i'm pretty sure it wasn't a Quantum part
    either.
    With the correct Zetec mountings there is no need for a strut there.

    Jim


    On 22/07/2019 18:25, Julian Coleman wrote:

         Hi

        The offending item is the strut shown here between the brake
        fluid reservoir and the inlet manifold, it's attached to the
        engine and the brace bar between the suspension turrets. (This
        is before it broke.) If you have one I'm interested.

        Looking at the welds and the paint, I suspect this is a
        Quantum part, the fixings do not look like an aftermarket
        bodge. But having said that, it might have been one that was
        well done

        Regards


        Julian Coleman
        City Audio Services



            ----- Original Message -----
            From:
            [email protected]

            To:
            <[email protected]>
            Cc:

            Sent:
            Mon, 22 Jul 2019 14:49:50 +0100
            Subject:
            Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: H4 top engine stay/mount and 2L hoses


            On the attached picture, the green circle is the front
            Zetec engine mount and the yellow circle is the bracket
            where the rear top engine mount bolts to.
            Aside from these 2 the only other mounts on the Zetec are
            under the gearbox.
            I’d guess you may be missing the front mount and somebody
            has added the tie bar at the rear to try and compensate.
            Jim
            *From:* Julian Coleman
            *Sent:* Monday, July 22, 2019 2:30 PM
            *To:* [email protected]
            *Subject:* Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: H4 top engine
            stay/mount and 2L hoses
            Hi
            If you could send me photos and dimensions I may very well
            be interested. The engine in mine is a 2L silver top
            zetec. The mounting is from the inlet side roughly in the
            middle of the car (L/R) and it runs from the mount on the
            engine back to the stiffener bar which runs between the
            tops of the suspension turrets. I do plan to go out and
            measure it up later today but from memory it is about 150
            - 200mm long with short tubes at each end, the tubes being
            about 40-50mm long and about 30 ish mm diameter.
            Take that with a pinch of salt! But if it's anything
            similar it's worth seeing if it's a match. It would make
            sense if it was an original part, but who knows.
            I've got enough on my hands, never mind nowhere to put it,
            to be able to consider taking on a second car or indeed
            keeping a donor. But I wish you well either sorting it or
            passing it on. They are fun for sure.
            Regards

            Julian Coleman
            City Audio Services



                ----- Original Message -----
                From:
                [email protected]
                To:
                <[email protected]>
                Cc:
                Sent:
                Mon, 22 Jul 2019 11:44:58 +0100
                Subject:
                Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: H4 top engine stay/mount and
                2L hoses


                There's someone with a Wanted Ad on Ebay after an H4
                at the moment - It looks like your may be too much
                work for him, but maybe a sale possibility?
                Martin

                    ----- Original Message -----
                    *From:* 'The Blue Pig' via Quantum Owners Group
                    *To:* Quantum Owners Group
                    *Sent:* Monday, July 22, 2019 11:21 AM
                    *Subject:* [Quantum Owners] Re: H4 top engine
                    stay/mount and 2L hoses
                    Hi, Julian,
                    Which engine do you have and on which side is the
                    mounting in question?
                    I have an H4i with the 1.6 Zetec engine, a unit
                    that had been installed, before I bought the car,
                    to replace an earlier 1.6  engine in order to
                    offer power steering. Unfortunately, the engine
                    was put in by goblins using hammers; it was a
                    tight fit and, I discovered on taking a sharp
                    left-hand bend, lacked an engine mount on the near
                    side connecting the engine to the chassis,
                    resulting in a very alarming noise as an exposed
                    pulley came into contact with the lower chassis
                    member and tried to chew its way through it.
                    I obtained the correct engine mounting in good
                    condition from a scrapped MkIII Fiesta but never
                    got around to fitting it before garaging the car
                    with a view to sorting out a number of small
                    problems pre-MoT test. That was three years ago! 
                    Consequently, I'm now the owner of a pre-barn-find
                    blue Quantum H4i, a treasure trove of spare parts
                    such as full light sets (time two, since an
                    earlier MkIII was stripped to feed it and that had
                    all lights intact as well), new and unfitted front
                    wishbones, new front and rear shocks (rear fitted,
                    never used, front in box) . . . A real boys'
                    Christmas morning of delights!
                    If the engine mount might be of interest, let me
                    know. If the rest of the car has appeal, I might
                    be open to offers (since I'd really not like it to
                    go for cannibalisation to feed a Fiesta MkIII).
                    Cheers!

                    On Sunday, 21 July 2019 08:43:11 UTC+1, julian wrote:

                        Hi
                        The H4 has a stabilising bar from the chassis
                        frame to the top of the engine. It has just
                        given up. I thought I'd just check to see if
                        there was a chance replacements might be
                        available before having this remade
                        The bushes are showing their age but not yet
                        scrap. So I'd be interested in replacing the
                        whole lot if that is possible.
                        A vain hope I suspect, but worth a shot.
                        Thanks
                        Incidentally the hoses in my H4 were pretty
                        poor and some bodged. A full correct correct
                        set was no longer available, one of the most
                        complex shapes being essentially custom. I had
                        that one properly sorted so the moulds now
                        exist for it which makes it possible to source
                        a complete set if anyone is interested.

                        Julian Coleman
                        City Audio Services


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