As I mentioned I found an identical inertia switch to the one fitted and
ordered it on the basis that the loom must have been modded for it. I
will of course drop it in and see if it works, but i seriously doubt it
will because nothing seems to be connected.
So on the assumption that I have to wire it up, does anyone have access
to details of how the Ka unit should be wired?
Julian
On 2022-09-26 12:59, Jim Hearne wrote:
Alarms normally break 2 circuits, one is usually the starter and the
other is usually the ignition feed at the ignition switch because it's
easy to access.
If you are fitting an alarm properly you should break something harder
to bypass (breaking the ignition circuit can just be bypassed by
connecting a wire between the battery + and the ignition coil), the
supply to the fuel pump would be a suitable circuit.
The Mk3.5 1.6 SI loom is good for upgrading to a 2.0 Zetec as it's
about the only Fiesta loom that is compatible with the Mondeo ECU
pinout.
You may have to resort to pulling the dash to see exactly whats going
on.
Jim
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Sent: Monday, September 26, 2022 12:50 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] H4 electrics - inertia switch
OK, so the chances are the loom is Mk3. The engine is a 2l Mondeo, the
lights are the Morette mod and the loom is a shambles, I've found three
extra fuses in the cabin and several more in the engine bay.
I do also have an alarm - fitted by a prior owner. I was wondering
about that being the culprit, but it works by not allowing the car to
be turned over. However finding that both leads to and from the sensor
are apparently not connected suggests it is not the alarm cutting power
to the sensor.
That leaves the possibility that the alarm is faulty and is
interrupting the pump power feed which doesn't go through the sensor.
More investigation required clearly. Or I fit the new impact sensor and
route an entirely new power feed.
On 2022-09-26 12:36, Jim Hearne wrote:
I was just wondering if somebody has grafted in a Mk4 loom, though why
you would do that unless you were fitting a Mk4 dash i don't know.
There are various fuses and relays added to the side of the main
fusebox depending on the options and spec of the car.
Jim
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Sent: Monday, September 26, 2022 12:31 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] H4 electrics - inertia switch
A thought. I have noticed that the fuse box/relay holder is different
from the Haynes photo. It does not have the three fuses to the right of
the relay tray (ie hidden from view unless the tray is unhitched and
dropped down, it only has the extension on the left. I assumed this was
merely that Haynes simply showed one model with and ignored the variant
without.
I don't know if that may be relevant.
On 2022-09-26 12:17, Jim Hearne wrote:
The part incidentally is F2AB-9341-AA.
That part number is too new to have come from the donor car.
Has this car got a Mk4 or Mk5 Fiesta dash fitted ?
Jim
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Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] H4 electrics - inertia switch
Hi
Further investigation is proving tricky. Having removed the connector
and so gained access to the loom wiring I can find no link from the
fuse (F19) to the connector and no link from the connector to the now
cut feed wire to the pump (there being a temporary positive feed to the
pump to keep it going). Both should exist. None of the three wires
connect to ground or indicate power at any time.
The only explanation I can think of is that the unit was problematic
and it has been short circuited and it is that connection which has
failed. My problem of course is I have no idea where that might be. So
the hunt will go on.
Incidentally the unit is certainly the impact sensor. I managed to read
the part number and found one on e-bay and despite it being from a Ka
it is identical - except mine does not have the red button, just a hole
where the red button should be! So perhaps that explains the
disconnection theory. It broke so it was dispensed with. Anyway, I have
the e-bay unit on order.
The part incidentally is F2AB-9341-AA.
Now I just have to find the bodge.
Regards and thanks for all the help
On 2022-09-26 09:12, [email protected] wrote:
Thanks for the additional information, very useful.
On 2022-09-25 23:20, [email protected] wrote:
Inertia switches are readily available from breakers, Ebay etc. Most
are 3 pin but often connector only uses 2 of the pins.
The one I fitted in my saloon came from a Ford Fusion, Fiesta or
similar (the type with yellow top).
If you get one from breakers best to get complete with male connector
plug and short section of wiring harness - this make it easy to wire
into existing loom. Failing that you need to make connector plug - easy
enough - most are 3 way AMP connector.
In my setup I also installed a bypass switch and a dashboard warning
led to show if inertia switch has been triggered (this requires 3rd
wire connection).
John
On Sunday, 25 September 2022 at 16:33:07 UTC+1 julian wrote:
Hi
I have found an air bag sensor (though there are none in the car of
course) and close by another potential suspect - see attached. It's the
right sort of size but has three connections where the manual says two,
although one appears at least to be the right colour code. Also it has
no reset button. However what it does have at the top is a cylinder
which might once have been the housing for a plunger.
I haven't yet tried testing anything like circuit tracing because the
plastic of the connector look easy to break. If it is the right unit, I
will attempt to remove it and see if it can be reset.
Alternatively do you know if a replacement might be obtained?
Julian
On 2022-09-23 14:33, Jim Hearne wrote:
It's bigger than you might think, maybe 50 x 40 x 30 with the red
button on the top.
Jim
From: [email protected]
Sent: Friday, September 23, 2022 2:30 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] H4 electrics - inertia switch
All
I'm assuming from what I can see on the web it's likely to be a small
flattish black box.
Fingers crossed I can find it.
Thanks as ever for the help
On 2022-09-23 14:09, susanandmartin wrote:
As Steve said, near the door (A) pillar is a common place. In a Mondeo
(company car) a work colleague had a flat tyre and changed it, then the
vehicle wouldn't start - you can imagine he was pretty exasperated. It
turned out the inertia switch was in the boot near where he dropped the
punctured tyre/wheel!
Martin Scott
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From: 'Steve Kodź' via Quantum Owners Group
Sent: 23 September 2022 13:41
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] H4 electrics - inertia switch
Julian,
Not sure about a standard location, but I think the wiring would
naturally position this in the passenger foot well area. Mine was
attached to the chassis door pillar in the passenger foot well.
Regards,
Steve
On 23/09/2022 13:38, [email protected] wrote:
Hi
My H4 cut out unexpectedly at the MoT garage after being driven into
the brake test equipment which involved the car being grounded! Looking
at the circuit diagram there are several potential reasons why this
happened, most of which I know how to diagnose and where to look. But
one possible potential problem is the impact sensor which is shown in
the Haynes manual.
Does anyone know if these are usually refitted in an H4 and if so is
there a 'standard' location? It might help me locate it without having
to dismantle the entire vehicle. If anyone has a photo of the actual
unit I'm looking for, that would also help.
Thanks
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